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Old 04-08-2014, 01:52 PM   #1
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Swartz Safety - which models?

I just learned today that the Super Carry does not have the Swartz safety.

I don't see a reference on the web site on which has or does not have the Swartz fp safety.

Are there other models that don't?

Some compare this design to the model 1 Kimbers. Does it matter? If so, how/why?
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Originally Posted by Insta-Gator View Post
I just learned today that the Super Carry does not have the Swartz safety.

I don't see a reference on the web site on which has or does not have the Swartz fp safety.

Are there other models that don't?

Some compare this design to the model 1 Kimbers. Does it matter? If so, how/why?
Any Kimber model that ends in II has the Swartz safety.
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Any Kimber model that ends in II has the Swartz safety.
Then according to the list of models on the web site, the Micro, Master, and Super are not II, nor is the Classic Carry Pro.

Why would anyone object to a firing pin block, unless it caused operational problems.
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When I took both my PCII apart to replace the recoil springs {with the slide off} I noticed when I squeezed the grip safety a little pin popped out of the top of the frame. Is that the Schwartz Safety??

I know I was told that when I put the slide back on to make sure it wasn't sticking out so the slide wouldn't break it off and the gun wouldn't fire.
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That's the actuator for the safety, the safety is in the slide.
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The piece that comes up pushes the firing pin block up so it can go forward when the hammer strikes the firing pin.

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Well, Kim's got it, anyway.

I still don't quite understand the serious objections to the series II or mod 80 from some in the 1911 world. If it works as designed, and apparently it does, then why would the gun be perceived as 'better' without it?
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I'm sure it's perceived like the internal lock on new Smith & Wesson revolvers. Not the original design so therefore it's not good. I don't have a problem with either one.
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Some of us grumpy old folks have a hard time cottoning up to new fangled changes!!!

However, as in the movie Space Balls, you should, "USE THE SWARTZ"!!!
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