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Old 04-17-2014, 02:07 PM   #1
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Interesting FTF Cause/Theory

I've been watching a DVD by Patrick Kilcherman about improving accuracy with a handgun. Good stuff. Pretty detailed about every aspect of stance, grip, sighting, etc. Mostly common sense, but one thing he said really made my ears perk up.

In discussing grip, he said you can A) Squeeze too tight which causes you to shake. B) Grip it perfectly (like me of course) which is 60% support hand 40% trigger hand or....C) Limp wrist it!

So, why is that interesting? He says that for your slide to recoil fully, it requires that the gun be held firm and stationary. In other words, if your gun moves backward at the same time as your slide, it won't fully rack.

Obviously, that isn't the only cause of all FTFs....but it could be a contributing factor. I just thought it was interesting.

(Let the "limp-wrist" jokes commence.)
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Old 04-18-2014, 09:52 AM   #2
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So has anyone heard that before? That not providing solid support when the slide cycles can cause a failure to feed?
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Old 04-18-2014, 09:59 AM   #3
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I've not experienced it myself but I can see how it could happen.
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So has anyone heard that before? That not providing solid support when the slide cycles can cause a failure to feed?
Of course. That and a bad round from time to time will cause FTF. Sometimes you never know which. Easier to blame the weapon
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In the Glock world the only acceptable reason for a malfunction is "Limp wrist" shooter. The weapon is never blamed.

This usually turns out to be accurate.
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Old 04-18-2014, 02:03 PM   #6
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The Glock always allowed shooters with poor technique and lack of strength to run a semi auto. That is what made it so popular. It was very forgiving. But they also tended to be under sprung for their caliber. Glock shooters always claimed limp wristing was a falicy created by users of other guns to create an excuse for the gun. Along came the gen4 Glocks with a dual recoil system. Lots of problems. Those that got lazy by shooting Glocks now had issues due to lack of support for the slide to reciprocate.

If the frame is allowed to move a lot to the rear during recoil it detracts from the slide traveling rearward to the fullest. Depending on the gun this can result in a stoppage. Check out an old post I made about springs I think it explains it better though it is long.
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Old 04-18-2014, 02:11 PM   #7
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Both my Glocks, G23 & G27, are Gen 4. I haven't had a single problem with either of them. You definitely have to hang on to that little G27, but I think it's fun. Actually makes me focus a little more on trigger finger and maintaining the depressed position until after recoil so I can utilize the reset.
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So, when I run across a Kimber hater....it's most likely he has a limp wrist. Hehe.
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How do they do that?
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