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Old 04-22-2014, 05:15 PM   #1
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Tried to sell me a Sig

I stopped by a local dealer today, just to see what he had. Having never been there before, the guy behind the counter was as new to me as I to him. I started out by asking if he had any used Browning HP's. Of course not. But he didn't criticize the gun by blurting out that it's a single action and nobody likes them. Yes, I have had that happen.
Then I asked if he carried the Kimber line. I immediately received a long dialogue about how the Kimber of today is not the Kimber of yesterday and that moving to the East coast really destroyed the company's quality, (must be the air). I was told how the Sig would out shoot the Kimber everyday and was ten times as reliable, etc.
I asked to see one of these miraculous firearms and he handed me an all steel 5 inch gun. I handled it and that asked if it wasn't a bit heavy for daily carry. I followed with a query regarding something comparable to my Ultra Carry II. He got into his safe and pulled out a Sig Ultra two tone. It's a good looking gun with similar features to my Ultra. I prefer the Ultra II barrel arrangement as the Sig uses a cut away in the upper barrel to facilitate the auto-loading process. I also did not like the lack of an ejection port relieve. I have had experience with .45's that lack that feature.
Other than a couple cosmetic issues, the guns are very similar. Weights, lengths carry capacity are all similar. However, the shop guy seemed to think the Kimber couldn't handle 7 rounds. I actually believe he thinks the Sig carries 7 in the mag. Feature for feature, the sig is very like the Ultra Carry II TLE. And very similar in suggested retail. In the end, I acknowledged the Sig is a good looking gun and that I like the two tone 3 inch 7 round design. But his quoted price was more than $150 dollars more than my regular dealers posted price for the LTE. My regular dealer carries the CDP II, very close in appearance to the sig, for about $75 more than he quoted the Sig. For that money, I'll take the better barrel lug design and the ejection port relief.
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Old 04-22-2014, 06:19 PM   #2
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If the dealer sells it, it's a wonderful thing. If he doesn't sell it, it's a piece of junk. Standard retail BS
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Old 04-22-2014, 06:19 PM   #3
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Kimber pistols were always made on the "east coast". Sometimes you will have more credibility by being quiet.....
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Old 04-22-2014, 07:11 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Mike240 View Post
Kimber pistols were always made on the "east coast". Sometimes you will have more credibility by being quiet.....
I think they actually started in Oregon and were known as Kimber of Oregon.
I will have to look it up, but I thought I read that before..
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Mike240 is right about the pistols always being made on the east coast.

How Kimber, a name associated with high grade hunting rifles, came to be in the 1911 business requires a little history lesson. The story begins in Yonkers, N.Y., with a company called Jerico Precision which was founded in 1978 as a manufacturer of hand tools and a subcontractor for various defense industries. The name Jerico comes from founders Jerry Roman and the late Richard Brown, an acronym for "Jerry and Richard's Company."

Jerico needed two things: a market and somebody who knew about 1911's. The help they found turned out to be businessman Leslie Edelman, owner of a major firearms and accessory wholesale company called Nationwide Sports, and Chip McCormick who knows something about 1911s. At the time, Edelman was a minority shareholder of Kimber Of America and his plan was to connect Jerico's manufacturing capability with Kimber's established dealer network. The project began in the winter of 1994 and the prototypes of the "Kimber" pistol were shown at the 1995 SHOT Show.


Controversy swirled around the sample at the show, which were in fact made by Caspian Arms with the serial number and manufacturer's identity hidden under the grip panels.
Then in late 1996 Edelman purchased Jerico and changed the name to Kimber Manufacturing. In April 1997, Edelman closed Kimber's rifle making facility in Oregon and moved the entire operation to Yonkers.
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Old 04-22-2014, 08:20 PM   #6
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Right. The reason early kimber pistols were marked Oregon is because the FFL holder was still in Oregon.
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Old 04-22-2014, 08:31 PM   #7
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Interesting link about Kimber...

Kimber Manufacturing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Sounds to me like that salesman needs some more product education!! You don't bad mouth products. You explain the features of a firearm and allow the customer to make the choice/decision for himself. The product will sell itself. Sales personnel should deal in facts, not opinions!!

If a customer has done his own research on the type of firearm he is looking for, only a paperwork monkey is required, not a salesman. If the monkey is really talented, he can put the new firearm box in a nice bag for the customer. The bag, of course, is optional!!!
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Originally Posted by lineman73 View Post
Sounds to me like that salesman needs some more product education!! You don't bad mouth products. You explain the features of a firearm and allow the customer to make the choice/decision for himself. The product will sell itself. Sales personnel should deal in facts, not opinions!!

If a customer has done his own research on the type of firearm he is looking for, only a paperwork monkey is required, not a salesman. If the monkey is really talented, he can put the new firearm box in a nice bag for the customer. The bag, of course, is optional!!!
Our sales staff at the lgs shop here in St Lou.
They don't monkey around when it comes to selling a firearm..
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I really like the guys at our LGS. Several of them are vets with deployment experience. They are smart enough to open the case, clear the weapon, hand it to the shopper, be quiet until asked a question. (that's the good part)
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