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Old 02-14-2015, 04:03 PM   #1
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I just bought a SS Pro TLE II, my first experience with a 1911, and I have a question about the operation...

The manual says half cock is not actually half cock and should never be used as such, that this hammer position is a safety catch to prevent accidental discharge.

If I rack the slide so the gun is cocked, then engage the thumb safety, then hold the gun in the fire position so that the grip safety is pushed in, and squeeze the trigger, the gun will not fire because the thumb safety is up. However, if I now unlatch the thumb safety, the hammer will fall to the half cocked or safety catch, and the hammer will have to be re-cocked in order to fire. Of course if I don't try to fire the gun first, the thumb safety can be pushed up and down without causing the hammer to drop.

Is this correct operation ? Should the hammer fall into half cock after squeezing the trigger in this manner ?

You do have to give it a bit of a tug, just a slight pull won't cause this to happen, so I am guessing it's a tolerance thing maybe ? ( I love the trigger pull on this gun).

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Old 02-14-2015, 04:07 PM   #2
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With a full grip, depressing the grip safety, and the thumb safety in the down/fire position, when you pull the trigger the hammer should fall completely. If it is stopping in the half cock position, the gun has a problem. I recommend you call Kimber Customer Service as soon as you can. Do not load or try to fire this weapon.
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Old 02-14-2015, 04:41 PM   #3
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Thanks for the reply, but you misunderstand.... With a full grip, depressing the grip safety, and the thumb safety in the fire position, when I pull the trigger the hammer does fall completely.

What I said was, if the thumb safety is in the safe position and I attempt to fire the gun, it does not fire (which is correct)... but if I now push the thumb safety into the fire position, the hammer will drop to half cock.

My trigger must be on the hairy edge of releasing the hammer when pulled.

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Old 02-14-2015, 04:50 PM   #4
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Something is wrong. If your finger is not depressing the trigger, the hammer should not move when you take off the safety.
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Old 02-14-2015, 05:41 PM   #5
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Let me see if I'm following you correctly

1. thumb safety is on
2. you grip the gun putting pressure on the grip safety
3. you attempt to pull the trigger ... the gun doesn't fire.
4. with continued pressure on both the trigger and grip safety you release the thumb safety and the hammer falls to the half cocked position.

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I tried various possibilities in ways to replicate that with my SCUHD and could not. If either stayed safe or hammer feel to the firing position. Do not load that weapon.

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Old 02-14-2015, 06:49 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Insta-Gator View Post
I tried various possibilities in ways to replicate that with my SCUHD and could not. If either stayed safe or hammer feel to the firing position. Do not load that weapon.

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I also tested it with two Kimbers, one with and one without the firing pin safety block, hey you never know, besides I've got a major case of boredom.
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Old 02-14-2015, 11:46 PM   #8
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I don't have any unloaded guns handy on which to experiment, but the whole thing seems like a silly exercise. DO NOT pull the trigger and then release the safety. That's just goofy. There is no chance you could ever do such a thing by accident, and it's CLEARLY not what you're supposed to be doing with a pistol, so why do it?
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Originally Posted by RustyIron View Post
it's CLEARLY not what you're supposed to be doing with a pistol, so why do it?
I can think of one pretty good reason. The "fog" experienced in confrontation. Let me explain.

None of us are really Hollywood pistoleros. We carry defensive tools like we carry fire insurance--in the hopes we never have to use it. And like handling motor vehicles, you have to know what to do when things go wrong.

For example, we all should be doing "tap-rap-bang" drills in case firearms fail to go 'bang' during an attack.

Frankly I didn't know what a 1911 will/would do if you erroneously pulled the trigger and then disengaged the safety--but I've done it several times. I've been out plinking, took a six o'clock on a beer can, did a gigundo flinch, and realized I had flipped the safety lever up.

In the fear and excitement of being attacked, would I draw the pistol and just clumsily yank the trigger with the safety on? Well, we all might. And we should know how to instantly diagnose and remedy a pistol during duress.
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Old 02-15-2015, 08:40 AM   #10
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Saves the typing.

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