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Old 06-28-2019, 08:03 PM   #1
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TLE R/L II aiming question

I was hoping to get some advice from the group on accuracy.

I was at the range yesterday to practice my new Kimber. This is my first 1911 style pistol. With yesterdayís session Iíve put about 400 rds through it. Havenít really been worried about accuracy until now because Iíve been getting used to firing a 1911.


My question is at 15 yards, my shots all ended up about 2 inches. My group was spot on, but every shot was high.

When I brought the target back to about 7-10 yards I was still high but not as bad. I put my sight on top of the point I want to hit.

I donít consistently shoot high with an M&P 40, so Iím trying to figure out if Iím flinching or if there might be a sight poblem.

Iíve included a picture of the targets at 15 yds and 7-10 yds.



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Your groups look very good. My experience with 1911's would suggest that you might try a "lollipop" sight picture, where you put the target dot on top of the front sight post.
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Thank you CharlieW. Never considered that at all. Iíve always used the dots to align my shots and never really looked at accuracy out past short distances. Iíll try that alignment next time I am out.


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Hi, Crwbr.
Your bullet path is parabolic (an arc, to the non-math geek). Your bullet hitting high at 7 yards, and a little higher at 15 yards makes perfect sense. I think if you stretch it out to 50 yards, you might find that your projectile is hitting closer to zero. Of course your grouping will widen up, but that's a point for a whole 'nother discussion.
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Hi, Crwbr.
Your bullet path is parabolic (an arc, to the non-math geek). Your bullet hitting high at 7 yards, and a little higher at 15 yards makes perfect sense. I think if you stretch it out to 50 yards, you might find that your projectile is hitting closer to zero. Of course your grouping will widen up, but that's a point for a whole 'nother discussion.


Oh wow, RustyIron, thanks! I didnít realize there would be an arc. Just always assumed it was a straight line before gravity took over and it started to fall.


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Check out the attached graphic. See how the barrel points UP in relation to your line of sight? You line up the sights with the target because light travels in a straight line (for the purposes of our discussion).

The projectile crosses your line of sight twice, so your gun is dead-nuts accurate at two distances. This is really important if you're a sniper or an Olympic shooter.

For me, I'm just like to get out, make a lot of noise, and if I can poke all the holes near the center of the target, I'm a happy man.
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Thank you CharlieW. Never considered that at all. Iíve always used the dots to align my shots and never really looked at accuracy out past short distances. Iíll try that alignment next time I am out.


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Okay, If you are looking at the dots you are not looking at the front sight and your shots will go high!

This is because in a "proper" sight picture you should have your front sight in sharp focus with the top of the sight where you want your bullets to hit the target.

The dots are below the top of the front sigh so if you place the front sight dot on the target you are aiming high.

For defence shooting the dots will be "minute of offender" and not make any real difference, but for target shooting they are awful. A very good competition shooter I met last year told me he "uses the dots for rapid sight engagement then looks at the front sight only. It saves a fraction of a second per target in competition".

I do not like dots on my sights. The only gun I open with them I have blacked out the dots.

As for my duty pistol, I just ignore the bloody things.
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Old 07-04-2019, 04:20 AM   #8
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You have 3 dots, the 3 should be lined up with the target just over the center dot if it is set up right. I believe kimber sets up for 25 yards so it might still be a little high in closer.
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Old 07-05-2019, 01:04 PM   #9
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This is what I got back from Kimber when I asked how their sights were set:

Our pistols are going to have the sights regulated at 25 yards using a 230 gr bullet (in our 45 caliber guns) using sight picture #2 as shown below. The top edge of the front sight should split the target perfectly in half. Sight picture #3 is not as precise as more of the target is obscured Ė this is used for rapid fire/low light shooting where absolute accuracy isnít required, but for precision shooting use hold #2.

This is the photo I included with my question;




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Yeah, number 2 sight picture works for me.
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