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Old 11-01-2017, 10:00 AM   #1
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Does "OODA" work for human confrontation?

The U.S. Air Force uses the "OODA Loop" programmed into the F-35, for example, in reacting to possible air-to-air confrontations. The "OODA Loop," --- is for observe, orient, decide and act. The concept is to complete this process quickly and make fast decisions while in an air-to-air dogfight -- in order to get inside the enemy's decision cycle, properly anticipate, and destroy an enemy before they can destroy you.

Doesn't this sound like an excellent concept for gunfights down here on the soil? Seems so to me. If a confrontation is developing, you must observe what is happening, orient yourself to deal with potential aggression, decide what steps you are going to take, and then act.

Getting inside your opponent's decision cycle, properly anticipating their likely actions, and stopping your opponent before they can harm you sounds like an excellent mindset if and when needed.

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OODA has been a part of LE training for years.
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The OODA Loop is used in several self-defense books. It was conceived by USAF Col John Boyd. The Book "Boyd" is a good read.
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Your thoughts?

It seems like a handy initialism for explaining the concept. Although I've never heard of it, it makes sense.

The "observe" part is what everyone should be doing all the time. But suppose some skeevy character winds up in close proximity. Or maybe a regular looking person is moving to a place where you don't like anyone to be.

In those cases, you might choose to turn a little so the skeevy one remains in your view. Or maybe you'll move back a bit so the stranger won't have access to your back. That would be "orientation," right? Sometimes the BEST orientation is "get the heck out of there" before anything nasty goes down.

Maybe at this point you'd go back to observing... unless the "stranger" promoted himself to "threat." Because you've already been "observing and orienting," hopefully you've already figured out the "decision" part, so all that's left is "acting."

Never forget that proper observation and orientation can reduce the need for decisions and action.
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I kind of boil it all down to "situational awareness". I tell my wife to try and be more aware of what's going on around her. To look around before getting out of her car. To pay attention to what people near by are doing and how they're acting.

Think about your daily life the way you do driving in multilane traffic ...you have to know what the cars around you are doing and prepare. You see the cars and trucks that you want to stay away from because of the way they're driving. You have to watch way ahead but also look behind you and to the left and right.

I tell her to be more "self aware" than "self concerned". I use the example of the twits you see who almost get hit by cars in parking lots....looking down at their cell phones as they walk ...more "self concerned" than "self aware".
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This is why I have my own table at the coffee bar. Back to the wall, all three exits within sights. Spare magazines. Situational awareness.

I have also made a point to get to know the cops and hired security who patrol the mall. I shake their hands, thank them openly, and make sure they know me.
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Marines have been teaching this for years. Essentially, you want the other guy to react to you. Then you are in control of the situation. A lot of times simply being more aggressive than the other person will enable you to "get inside his OODA Loop". Once you are inside, he will not be able to think and react quick enough to defeat you. Of course it's not always about being on the offensive...situational awareness and thinking quick enough to avoid the situation is always best in a personal defensive situation.
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