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Old 03-09-2018, 07:28 AM   #1
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New signage at East Towne Mall.

As most of you know, I have a slavish beginning to each morning. My eyes pop open in a panic, and I search for coffee like a castaway searches for potable water. After the gym, I meet friends at the mall.

One associate pointed to a new sign at the center of the mall. Previously, the signage about firearms had been poor. This new larger sign in the middle of the mall confirmed their policy--except it doesn't. Let me explain.

Numerous larger stores (called "anchors") have their own private entrances and do not post no-guns decals. Under Wisconsin law, you may enter concealed. Open carry is not permitted.

To make matters worse, some stores simply rent their areas, allowing the mall managers to claim the right to apply laws inside those stores, as well. Thankfully, Barnes & Nobel does not hold such a lease. Their manager, Jen, welcomes all clients, even those with CCW licenses and handguns.

Since this new sign is vague, I called the Madison police (who could care less) the DOJ firearms department, and the mall manager. Seems like everyone has a differing opinion.

Jen informed me that nothing has changed for B&N. They go by the national slate of rules, and CCW is permitted.

However, walk around in the commons area of the main promenades, and the police will ask you to leave if they suspect/know you are carrying.

So, if you come to Madison to shop, look for decals and enter through private entrances. The rules are a crazy-quilt of laws based on what the vendor signed under contract. But sworn police officers are appearing more and more, and if they suspect you are armed, they have authority under the our concealed carried law to ask you to leave.

Refusal results in arrest.
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Old 03-09-2018, 07:49 AM   #2
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Fair enough. It's their property. If they ask you to leave, then leave. Until that time, do whatever you want. If some mallcop thought of arresting you, he would be in clear violation of the Americans With Disabilities Act by oppressing a poor old man with bad eyesight who didn't see the sign and only wanted a up of coffee. BAM! The settlement would be enough to buy you that full set of Muzukashi Kakimasu stones that you've always wanted.
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Old 03-09-2018, 07:52 AM   #3
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Looking at East Towne Mall "Code of conduct" rules it states the following...

Thank you for you patronage today. In order to help ensure a pleasant shopping environment, all shopping center visitors, patrons, and employees are PROHIBITED from the following:

Carrying or displaying weapons of any kind, except those carried by authorized law enforcement officers or security personnel in the performance of their duties and by security officials specifically permitted by shopping center management.


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That's pretty much the norm for most malls across the land. They're gun free zones just waiting for something bad to happen and another reason I don't frequent any mall on a regular basis.

I remember the story of a shooting at that mall back in 2015 and you were quite shaken up about it and I don't blame you one bit.

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Oh, I know that they just escort you out, but I could walk from B&N, through the promenade and into Penney's and cross three imaginary lines of enforcement without knowing it. It depends on the wording of the individual lease the company signed.

Now this does get ridiculous. For example we have an "island" here called 'The Town of Madison.' Depending on where you live, they have to send a City of Madison ambulance or a Town of Madison ambulance. Sometimes--while you're bleeding--the 911 operator has to ask you for your exact position to send the right rescuers.

I live in the 'burbs with our own town hall. The left half of the building is civilian offices and the right side of the building is the police station.

You can carry legally going to the left, but arrested if you mistakenly go into the police station.

Only in Wisconsin.
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Basically the posting at malls in Illinois is the same, simply look for an entrance without a sign.
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Marshall, that was my concern. The sign implies you cannot carry a pistol anywhere on the premises. However, since most of the anchor stores permit concealed carry--and are more than half the mall area footage--the sign is misleading.
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Marshall, that was my concern. The sign implies you cannot carry a pistol anywhere on the premises. However, since most of the anchor stores permit concealed carry--and are more than half the mall area footage--the sign is misleading.
Chico how many times have you been stopped anywhere and were told that you're printing ? You're a smart enough guy not to let your edc show and why worry about something that has probably never happened. Looking at the map of your store the Barnes & Noble is right next to the parking lot as is JC Penney so if worse comes to worse enter through their doors without going through the mall.

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I never knew that. Seems ridiculous for all the different rules. I never even bother to read all the signage before entering a building anymore. I’ll be happy to leave if asked to do so.
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"The mall was secure less than an hour later.

Police are still looking for the suspect."


OK THEY HAVE A FUNNY IDEA OF SECURE.
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Old 03-09-2018, 09:49 AM   #10
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They made it easy in TN they have to have specific signage posted at every possible entrance. Since the only time I open carry is at work I don't worry to much about other businesses policies.
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