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Old 02-04-2018, 01:46 PM   #1
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Condition 3 carry

Question: I know most carry condition 1 but if one were to carry condition 3, wouldn't it be better to have the hammer cocked and the safety off? Racking the slide is easier with the hammer cocked. Am I missing anything other than the added time it takes to rack the slide?

Condition 4: Chamber empty, empty magazine, hammer down.
Condition 3: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition 2: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition 1: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on.
Condition 0: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
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Old 02-04-2018, 02:41 PM   #2
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nothing in chamber no safety needed..just rack and cap.
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Old 02-04-2018, 03:07 PM   #3
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I agree that a 1911 is easier to rack with the hammer cocked but if you're carrying it for self defense you carry Condition 1 ... period. With both thumb safety and grip safety the 1911 is a pretty safe carry gun ... even "cocked and locked"

The only reason I don't carry one is the weight. But a new commander size, 9mm with an alloy frame might change that. ....
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That would require much more movement to get into firing position when you draw from your holster, also possibly more noise. If you were trying to be discrete. Personally if I am going to carry concealed I want it to as close to being in firing condition as possible because If I am forced to draw my weapon it will be happen because it is a life threatening situation and possibly no time for inefficiency of movements.
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Yeah, the noise was a concern. It's significant if you're trying to be discrete.
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Old 02-04-2018, 07:18 PM   #6
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Maybe I'm missing something, but the last thing that I want is a thug grabbing my left arm and holding on to it while I need to grab my shooter with my right hand out of my holster and then rack a round in it since I carry in some way other than condition one.

Condition #1 all day long.

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Old 02-04-2018, 08:13 PM   #7
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Back to the original question,
Will having the hammer fully cocked allow for the slide to chamber a round more easily? Yup.
Will it make much difference? Nope, not enough to really matter, especially with a Micro .380, not much mass to move.
Condition 1 vs condition 3, as has been touched on, HUGE difference. These pistols are designed to be safely carried in condition 1. Carry for a few weeks in condition 1 with an empty chamber and you'll feel better about it all. Provided the safety doesn't disengage without you wanting it to you're good to go. Also, keep in mind that the firing pin block safety CAN NOT disengage unless you are pulling the trigger. Back to basics, unless your finger is inside the trigger guard your Kimber can't fire. DON'T PUT YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER TILL YOU'RE READY TO FIRE...
...JMO, I believe the Israeli's run their pistols in condition 3, so...???
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Condition 3 is mandated by the Israeli Army, so how bad can it be?

They rack the slide in an odd way. They grasp the pistol with both hands and place it against their chest. They stab their grip hand forward sharply and then take a sight picture.

They win wars in 6 days, so there must be something to the technique.
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Old 02-05-2018, 05:42 AM   #9
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Thanks for the input guys. I just had to post that to see what you all thought. I'm currently following Cousinmark's advice.

ps. didn't know about the Israelis.
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They rack the slide in an odd way. They grasp the pistol with both hands and place it against their chest. They stab their grip hand forward sharply and then take a sight picture.
Every movement is for a very precise reason. There is no randomness or ambiguity from the time the decision is made to engage the target, to the time that the threat is eliminated and the weapon reholstered.
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