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Old 12-24-2014, 01:12 PM   #1
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Quick question guys!

I know this is kimber forum and we are all kimber addicts but i was wondering what would you guys/gals choose.

I have narrowed down my next fullsize 1911 to a kimber or dan wesson.
I was wondering if you guys had any experiences with both and how do they compare with each other.

My options are a Super Carry Custom HD or Desert Warrior or Dan Wesson Valor (maybe specialist).

Thanks for reading!

-Shin0bi1

P.S. - I held a Super Carry Pro HD and loved it... it was so handsome but ultimately i settled on a Tac 2 Ultra for better conceal ergos.
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Old 12-24-2014, 01:38 PM   #2
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I have a Specialist. It is 2014 model. There are things I like and things I do not. I also had some issues with it. A sample of one yes. An anomaly? Not sure. Dan wesson uses the highest quality parts than any other production gun. How much does that matter? To the MIM haters a lot. But in 35 years of shooting 1911s I have never had a part break.

The guns slide seized on each of the first three shots requiring a mallet after each shot. The slide galled since it was not properly fit. Not an uncommonly reported issue on DWs. I lapped the slide and all was fine. The bottom of the two piece mag guide lost its screw early. The rear sight fell out. Another well reported issue. I sent the slide back and they fixed it. The front sight is the wrong height so the gun shoots horrible low and they say it's me.

Glad I bought stainless since there are a lot of sharp edges that need melted.

Need to decide to dump it or not. ProbBly will.

Their Guardian and Eco tempts me and should not be a hater over one gun. I have four rail guns so I may dump it for an ECO and give them another chance.

But I have never had that many issues with the 20 Kimbers I have owned. Tuning and extractor yes. Reaming a chamber yes. But that's all.

I carry my Warrior at work. The Specialist is in the safe
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Old 12-24-2014, 01:50 PM   #3
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I've never gotten a chance to hold a Warrior but other then the color I don't see anything special about it. There are other Kimbers with more desirable features for the money like the Tactical Custom HD II.

A good friend of mine has a Dan Wesson Stainless Valor, I've shot it many times, it's a great gun. I can't recall him ever having a problem with it.

Lastly we have the Super Carry Classic HD, I love my Super Carry Pro so what can I say other then buy it and color me predigest.
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Old 12-24-2014, 02:19 PM   #4
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Wink Hmmmm!!

A choice between two Kimbers and a Dan Wesson? I have owned or fired a Kimber Pro Carry II, a Custom Stainless II and a Raptor II. All were excellent examples of a fine 1911 pistol. The only issue with any was an adjustment to the trigger stop on all three and an extractor adjustment on the Pro Carry II. The trigger adjustment was not a real issue, just a matter of personal choice/preference. The extractor adjustment took 5 minutes to cure a feeding issue. All three are now 100%.

I have never owned or shot a Dan Wesson 1911. However, I have owned two Dan Wesson model 15-2HV .357 revolvers. They were both precision made guns that the only complaint that I ever had was that they were built to too fine tolerances. Just a bit of powder residue under the extractor star would almost lock up the cylinder. If fed clean burning ammo or reloads, they were the most accurate revolvers I ever owned. In metallic silhouette competitions, they were the only .357's to reliable down the 85 pound 1/2" steel plate rams at 100 yards.

According to Mike240, galling slides, sights falling off and screws backing out are COMMON complaints!!! That, in no way, is a recommendation to purchase a DW 1911 pistol. I'm pretty sure that Mr. Wesson is rolling over in his grave due to what his name is being put on!! Back in the day, Mr. Wesson strived to manufacture the finest .357 Magnum revolvers made. In my opinion, he succeeded! The 1911's being made by CZ under the Wesson name would not meet with his approval, if they leave the factory with those kinds of issues!!!

Stick with the Kimbers!!! TETO!! I'm just sayin'.............................
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Old 12-24-2014, 03:35 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by shin0bi1 View Post
I know this is kimber forum and we are all kimber addicts but i was wondering what would you guys/gals choose.

I have narrowed down my next fullsize 1911 to a kimber or dan wesson.
I was wondering if you guys had any experiences with both and how do they compare with each other.

My options are a Super Carry Custom HD or Desert Warrior or Dan Wesson Valor (maybe specialist).

Thanks for reading!

-Shin0bi1

P.S. - I held a Super Carry Pro HD and loved it... it was so handsome but ultimately i settled on a Tac 2 Ultra for better conceal ergos.

Full disclosure have never owned a Dan Wesson or even fired one. I have been thinking this same question/problem. Let me throw this out there for consideration.
The Valor is one of a couple DW's that I would consider buying. The Kimber that I would want to see in person before deciding would be one in the Summer Collection. Kimber Gold Combat (Limited Edition), the price is up there but it has some extra features like on the DW's.
Probably the main drawback would be finding a Gold Combat LE.
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Old 12-24-2014, 04:13 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Chuck43 View Post
I've never gotten a chance to hold a Warrior but other then the color I don't see anything special about it. There are other Kimbers with more desirable features for the money like the Tactical Custom HD II.

A good friend of mine has a Dan Wesson Stainless Valor, I've shot it many times, it's a great gun. I can't recall him ever having a problem with it.

Lastly we have the Super Carry Classic HD, I love my Super Carry Pro so what can I say other then buy it and color me predigest.
I will agree that the warrior new is way overpriced for what you are getting. Good gun yes but hefty price tag. I got mine for 800 with 50 rounds fired by an accountant type that wanted to try one and went back to glock. He just dumped it and I was there. I have checkered the frontstrap, added a magwell msh and changed the sights. Carried and shot hard for about 6 years now.

Over at the DW section of the other forum they are well loved and forgiven for for their bad ones and generally take care of them. Here there are die hard Kimber guys and there it is no different for DW. The big draw to DW is the all tool parts on a production for those that hate MIM and don't know why or have a reason.

My only reason to do another would be for an alloy frame that is actually hard anodized instead of spray painted.
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Old 12-24-2014, 07:20 PM   #7
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God so much to think about! Thank you for the great recommendations and i will consider all the great suggestions. As some of you know I recently had my beloved HK USP stolen out of my ride and then a month later I got laid off from my job. Well I recently found a better job and really excited for the new opportunity!

What is interesting is that on my first week at my new job, I was part of a work raffle and won the grand prize! I won enough to replace my beloved USP with another .45!

Pretty excited but at the same time daunted by the amount of options!

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Old 12-25-2014, 12:44 PM   #8
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I'll tell you why I chose a Kimber, I just bought my first several weeks ago.

First off, I was more comfortable with a single action automatic pistol, and my first inclination was to just find out what real-deal Colt was on sale, stuff it in a paper bag along with my credit card, a few gold fillings and a viable kidney, and send it off to my favorite custom gunsmith.

My wife, however, pointed to the two Harleys in the garage, reminded me that Sicilians are handsome men, but quite mortal--and she was not averse to stepping over a dead one...

What I needed to find was a "non-custom" custom that had all of the features I wanted, might need to be broken-in or tweaked at reasonable rates and still provide economical domestic tranquility. I even took my wife to the gunshop when I had the choices narrowed down, and she suggested I get one with a Crimson Trace.

I did the deal on the Kimber Ultra Carry II the next day and never looked back.

I will advise one perspective. Ask yourself what the pistol is going to do for the most of its life. Is it a target gun, a combat game gun, a defensive nightstand firearm or an EDC carry pistol suitable for carrying each day, every day, no question and 100% reliable.

You mentioned that one option was a Super Carry Custom. If so, you'll have to seriously decide if you mean "it could be carried if desired," or "carried everyday as a defensive weapon."

I have lots handguns that can be carried, but I keep coming back to the UC2 and the SIG P238.
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My opinion is NOT objective and is based on an incident that happened 40 + years ago with a brand new never fired DW revolver. My major at the time in charge of road patrol had just purchased a brand new DW revolver. We were looking for a lost child in a wooded area. The signal if anyone found him was to fire one shot and then everyone would meet back at the location of our commissions. Unfortunately the child was located in a pond and had drowned. When my major went to fire the warning shot from his new DW. it didn't fire. He took it home and started carrying his Colt Python again.
As I said this in a Unfair opinion of DW products but I have never had the inkling to even pick one up. YMMV
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Old 12-26-2014, 08:46 AM   #10
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You mentioned that one option was a Super Carry Custom. If so, you'll have to seriously decide if you mean "it could be carried if desired," or "carried everyday as a defensive weapon."

I have lots handguns that can be carried, but I keep coming back to the UC2 and the SIG P238.

Yeah I wanted a 1911 that could be carried if I wanted in the colder months of chicago in an OWB configuration. The weight of the full size I don't think will bother me (at least that is what I think lol).

I have been carrying my kimber ultra tac2 for about 6months and realize a few things.

1) I feel more comfortable carrying the kimber as in a peace of mind dat dem 230gr +p federales is serious business

2) I love single stacks

3) Not happy I have to buy particular self defense rounds for the Kimber

So that being said, I was not happy that my kimber ultra's finish did not hold up to the holster wear and outdoor activities that I did. I had the finish come off in spots because it was stuck to my holster. I do a lot of hiking and camping so my kimber is always with me. I consider the Dan Wesson Valor because I heard that their duty treat finish is one of the toughest out there.

I would love to hear the pros and cons of the super carry hd full size vs the super carry pro hd. Well actually just the difference between the 4" and 5" 1911s in general. Only thing that bothers me from what I read is that you have to change the springs in the pro every 800 rounds. Not sure if this is correct but that is a major turn of.

I held chuck43's super carry pro in a LGS and absolutely loved it and would love to purchase one just don't know much about professional models and what the pros and cons are.

Cheers,

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