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Old 05-10-2017, 06:58 AM   #1
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Military continues to spiral in - considers waiving basic training for some

Yep, as if our mlitary isn't f**ked enough, the Army Cyber command is wanting to be able to bring in more "soldiers' by allowing them to bypass basic training.

Apparently, normal recruiting methods aren't snagging enough nerds, who are needed to man the many open positions in the Army's Cyber Command ( not to mention the hundreds of other regular Army IT positions )

Not only are they considering allowing nerds to bypass basic training, but they're also considering making them sergeants or captains upon unit placement, too.



I would ask "how low can they go?", but am afraid they'd show me
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Old 05-10-2017, 07:01 AM   #2
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I agree to a degree. A group of these "nerds" can just as devistating in a cyber attack as a well trained armed force on the front line. Two different types of war, requires two different types of "troops". Just my .02
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Like any other employer, the military needs good people. But not enough good people like the deal the military is offering.

Don't expect the situation to improve. The unemployment rate is low, and public perception is that the U.S. military is embroiled in just another perpetual quagmire. There are better employment opportunities for people in the private sector.
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Righteye: I do not agree with by passing basic training. I do know first hand that advancement within the cyber group is exponentially faster than say an Airborne Field Artillery group. As for promotion to Officer ratings, that would create an entirely new set of problems within the command. 2nd Lt maybe with a four year degree but arbitrary to Captain? Not good long term.
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Lowering physical standards for "cyber" recruits is just a slow creep entry for the real agenda of lowering standards for women in combat roles. General Kelly warned of this last year that the military was under increasing pressure to lower standards for women.
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Bring them in as Army (military) civilians. No need to have a desk jockey go through basic or any other military training if all they are ever going to do is push buttons, which they can do stateside. IT support for deployed units doesn't require a degree in rocket (computer) science.
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I agree with Gator!! We can hire the geeks for cyber command as civilian employees. As long as they do nothing but sit in a stateside cubical pushing buttons on a keyboard, basic training is hardly needed.

I understand that some of the millennial-type geeks have a hard time adapting to rigid Army protocols. However, there are niches for them. When my son was in Iraq, he thought that the gunner on his Stryker (armored personnel carrier) was probably the worst soldier in the U.S. Army. Put that geeky gamer behind the controls of the remotely fired Browning .50 caliber M2 heavy machine gun, a.k.a. "Ma Deuce", he miraculously became the best gunner in the Brigade!! To him, it was just another video game!!!

Stryker.jpg <---Stryker armed with remotely fired Browning .50 caliber M2 heavy machine gun.

If you were doing close order drill or the manual of arms, he was completely worthless. However, if you needed someone to provide cover fire while you advanced on an enemy strong point, he was the man you wanted covering your back!! He was absolutely deadly!
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Beware of the nerds.....
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I don't know about lowering the standards. Isn't the whole point of basic training to create soldiers from civilians? Aren't they taught to follow rules, chain of command, responsibility, accountability, etc. Makes me wonder how other enlisted men and officers would feel about the rules being bent for a particular group.
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Old 05-13-2017, 07:30 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by starnovi View Post
I don't know about lowering the standards. Isn't the whole point of basic training to create soldiers from civilians? Aren't they taught to follow rules, chain of command, responsibility, accountability, etc. Makes me wonder how other enlisted men and officers would feel about the rules being bent for a particular group.
I agree with those thoughts
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