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Old 08-02-2018, 06:40 AM   #1
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We're not really treating the mentally ill.

Usually after a major shooting, we wring our hands and wonder how the "disturbed" felon fell through the cracks. I know why now, and I know what to do about it.

As most of you guys know, I have GAD (general anxiety disorder) and PTSD. I've gone up to 15 years with no symptoms, but then something set it off. My wife and I have the clinic's best insurance, and I was treated well. A few weeks ago something happened.

First, my wife said her best friend had all four of her doctors quit. She is technically in limbo and trying to find continuing care.

Then my therapist had problems. She is specialist, the only one her kind in her specialty. They worked her to death and she went to a four day week just to rest. I was given the name of a clinic that while not officially part of the HMO, was seeing patients and honoring our insurance. I met with their clinic's founder, and never hear from them again.

I do have a sleep clinic referral, but I have to be "interviewed" first before treatment. That appointment is in late August.

Finally I received a terse letter from the adjunct clinic, referring back to a therapist at my original clinic. The switchboard couldn't find her, so they dumped me back to another therapist--my original therapist. Three weeks spent, back at 'start.'

This all happened for the same reason. A big outfit showed up, and bought out area clinics. They're still on a learning curve.

I learned one thing. In all the hoopla, my anxiety went away. I knew my health was very good, so I decided on a new strategy.

My eye doctor cleared me, so I won't need to see him for six months. He did say if I needed him, I could see him at any time.

As for fears, I figure it this way. If pus is running out of some orifice, I'll make an appointment with my regular doctor--he's another story, BTW. The bright side is that I'm not dangerous to the public or a schizophrenic, so safety is not an issue.

But imagine this. One clinic buys out a successful operation. Numerous doctors quit, overloading the remaining. The truly troubled individuals cannot find a therapist, find their long-term doctor quit or get routed to the main facility, which is the size of The Epcot Center.

Our Vets' Hospital used to be a shining star, then it was found the staff falsified the days for waiting--the truth was 50 to 60 days for out-patient services. One vet was found over-medicated in the waiting area, not lucid, and drooling.

I'm going into my fourth week. I've left several messages. No one has called me back...
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Old 08-02-2018, 09:30 AM   #2
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On the bright side you seem to be coping with the situation well :-) There's that right!
I don't know that it's a situation where we're "not treating" just the mentally ill. The entire health care system seems to have restructured into a more corporate model. It's all profit driven... and unfortunately patients seem to be getting the short end of the stick more often than not.
You may recall I'm big on and always researching nutritional stuff. I've mentioned Dr John Bergman's YouTube channel here before. He has videos on a variety of health issues, anxiety included. Check out some of his talks if you can, it's free and won't hurt to watch.
One thing to look into too is you're copper/zinc ratio. Too much copper can cause various anxiety/depression/adrenal problems. It's not hard for that ratio to get out of whack. Many multivitamins arguably contribute to the problem.
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Thanks for the info. You're not the first one to caution me about my adrenals.

In fact, the test I was asked to take would be over by now, but even my regular doctor is not returning calls or MyChart messages.

BTW, my "adult job" was buttressing up companies circling the drain. I can smell a rotting corporation like your cat can smell rotting fish. I wear black glasses because most companies have very bright lights. However, employees must think I'm deaf, too. Lots of complaining as I walk the halls.
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We're not really treating the mentally ill.
No, we just keep re-electing them.......
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Old 08-02-2018, 03:31 PM   #5
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No, we just keep re-electing them.......
Well, for me, that's a good thing. As an insane, heart palpitating, hypochondriac with more guns and knives than some South American countries, I could lead the life of Hannibal Lector.

Yes, he was a psychiatrist, but because he was insane he also saw his own psychiatrist.

I could be earning a six figure income and get therapy at the same time.

But seriously, would you like to live inside my brain for one day? No, strike that, you'd slit your wrists. Let's make it an hour, and you'll know fear.
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As an insane, heart palpitating, hypochondriac with more guns and knives than some South American countries...
But seriously, would you like to live inside my brain for one day? No, strike that, you'd slit your wrists. Let's make it an hour, and you'll know fear.
Aw geez, Chico -- EXAGGERATE x 1,000 and pile it on, why don't you!? Just how much fun are you having and how much applause are you getting for having hypochondria?

You're having to learn to deal with real life and the everyday shit we ALL have to deal with. You're FINALLY no longer running away and blocking it out; but learning to LIVE with the NORMAL disappointments and REGULAR stuff everyone else does. You KNEW your insurance was insanely gold-plated -- and that it could not last! (THAT is the only 'insane' in this situation.)

And how many hundreds of times have I yelled at you about WORD CHOICE?! If you describe a thing in a way that makes it seem worse, then it will be worse!! You're several hundred times better than you where when I offered you the option of calling me at 4 a.m. if you woke in a panic attack. Was that three years ago now?!

You may have been intending that as a joke. It's a BAD joke, and our subconscious believes whatever we tell it! If you describe something as horrible -- then it will help you achieve that! If you consciously choose to rewrite your 'instant description' to accurately reflect what is truly going on, then your subconscious will help you achieve that too!

Stop playing the fool and start describing your situation as the adult you are!

{grumble grumble} You make ME look like I'm a piss-poor counselor -- and you and I both know I'm not! So live up to that!

And yes, it's madly frustrating trying to deal with bureaucracy -- I spent FOUR HOURS waiting on hold hoping the @#%*)+&%^#$ VA would finally pick up so I could get them to deal with the damned collection agency coming after me because either my VA Clinic or Veteran's Choice screwed up on payment to a sub. (So, for a damned $38.92, they may screw up my oh-so-carefully protected credit rating!) I've spent well above 8 hours over the past three weeks trying to get this settled.

**It IS WHAT IT IS!** And **I HAVE NO CHOICE.** So I act the adult and do what I must to handle it.

You're still spinning (my? your?) wheels on the damned adrenal test I've been asking you to get for well over TWO years! "I can't reach my doc about ordering it." "I can't call the biz office to ask if it's covered because the lady I knew there isn't there any more." I can't just order the test cause my email isn't working right and the link to the test hasn't come through." (Even though I re-sent it to your KT mail...) "I called a local functional medicine guy and they wanted me to come in and answer questions and stuff before getting the test..."

You've got EVERY DAMNED EXCUSE on the planet.... so, let me ask -- just how much are you enjoying being the 'sick man'? Look at all the attention you get by riding your "illness" really hard.

How many times have I said you CANNOT treat a physiological response (say, panic attacks?!?) with therapy? Have you ever even heard me once?!

All right, rant over.... for now. But goddamn Chico! What is the point of me spending hours on the phone with you if you're still going to just blow off my wisdom and advice?! (DO THE EFFING TEST!)
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But seriously, would you like to live inside my brain for one day? No, strike that, you'd slit your wrists. Let's make it an hour, and you'll know fear.
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Old 08-03-2018, 06:40 AM   #8
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I guess the reason I'm jumpy is that the clinic I use has been part of a bigger buy-out. As stated, my wife's best friend lost all her doctors.

And frankly, the "back up" clinic they sent me to was a big disappointment. I've never met anyone there but the owner and the secretary. If there is a staff, it's hiding. Phone calls go unanswered and the reason I had trouble finding the woman who was to give me the EMDR test was that the owner of the clinic gave me the wrong name--no one at my clinic knew who he meant.

Sure, I had some jitters, some mornings I do. I take the same meds at the same time each day in the same doses. Sometimes I wake up rested and secure, sometimes I wake up jumpy.

When you're jittery to begin with and there are no therapists in the building (even my regular doctor is out along with my original therapist), it's hard not to feel abandoned.

And of course, I woke up to a gloomy morning.

Edit: I'm wondering if there's a seminar going on, no one I know is getting to see their doctors or getting MyChart or telephone calls answered. And the two people I need to sign referrals are out, as well. Frankly I don't know who's seeing the wounded! Here's how ridiculous this is. I needed some cream for my Eczema, but I was out of refills. Since it's a steroid, I needed a doctor's new script, but my doctor is out. I got other drugs because I had refills, but hand cream was being treated as a "controlled substance"...
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