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Old 07-27-2015, 10:58 PM   #1
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Selective enforcement of the First Amendment

Just a quick thought as I don't have the time for details and research but Tourist or other will surely chime in.

The Southern Poverty Law center has always been vocal and pushed for civil rights civil court actions against organizations they deemed to be hate groups. Leader of groups that are using the first amendment and generally untouchable are attacked and the organization bankrupted through civil action. In some cases leader are indicted because of speech though they personally did not commit violence.

Aryan Nations. Metzger'a WAR group. KKK etc. all attacked by law enforcement federally, justice Department and the SPLC etc.

But they are white groups. Where is the SPLC and Justice Department on these radical Muslim leaders, CARE, American chapters of the Muslim Brotherhood and mosques linked to the radicalization process of Americans that kill cartoonists and Marines on our soil?

The longer I live the more I realize that despite being in the majority class and race, my kind are hunted more than any other group.
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Old 07-28-2015, 09:26 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by Mike240 View Post
Just a quick thought as I don't have the time for details and research but Tourist or other will surely chime in.

The Southern Poverty Law center has always been vocal and pushed for civil rights civil court actions against organizations they deemed to be hate groups. Leader of groups that are using the first amendment and generally untouchable are attacked and the organization bankrupted through civil action. In some cases leader are indicted because of speech though they personally did not commit violence.

Aryan Nations. Metzger'a WAR group. KKK etc. all attacked by law enforcement federally, justice Department and the SPLC etc.

But they are white groups. Where is the SPLC and Justice Department on these radical Muslim leaders, CARE, American chapters of the Muslim Brotherhood and mosques linked to the radicalization process of Americans that kill cartoonists and Marines on our soil?

The longer I live the more I realize that despite being in the majority class and race, my kind are hunted more than any other group.

Keep in ,mind that the Southern Poverty Law Center was originally founded to represent victims of the KKK. Not many of those folks were white, so the clientele is mostly black. It is an organization of lawyers. It is a non-profit organization. It is not affiliated with the Government. It's offices were fire-bombed, and its records were burned in 1983. The SPLC attempts to sue white supremacist groups, and often does so successfully.

The SPLC can only win civil actions if their target(s) have done something that a jury deems to be wrong -- a civil tort, in other words.

The SPLC does not have the ability to indict anybody under criminal law.

When Islamic organizations begin attacking the SPLC's clientele (blacks and religious minorities), then you can expect to see civil suits against such organizations being filed by the SPLC. Have there been cases of the Muslim Brotherhood or CARE attacking white Americans in our country? I don't believe that there is any evidence that the jihadis who attempted to kill cartoonists in Dallas, or the nut job who killed four Marines and a Sailor in Chattanooga, were members of any organizations at all.

The couple who murdered two Las Vegas Metro Police offers and a Good Samaritan last year were Christians. Should the police take retribution against Christians?

The statistics that are frequently cited by Chico tell us that blacks are the most frequently hunted people in America, and that they are the most frequently killed.



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Old 07-28-2015, 10:25 AM   #3
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The SPLC was used as an example not the solution.

When a white Christian yells hate speech loud and long enough that someone in the audience takes action; that speaker is usually the victim of some court or government agency action.

But when a Lets say radical Muslim cleric, representing an organization who openly preaches jihad; sparks an individual or group of members/followers into action (ie act of terrorism)-no one does anything to the group.

Desperate treatment and application of the free speech principle.

If one is racist fine. I don't care. We all have prejudices. Want to say to the masses you're a racist? Fine. There is a difference in that and being incitful. Metzger incited the young usually runaway screwed up disenfranchised disenchanted white men with hate filled brainwashing rhetoric so they would do violent acts but afford him plausible deniability.

And the forces cam after him.

And to the leaders of CARE and MB and radical clerics? Hell Sharpton for that matter ..... Ah yep crickets.....
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The SPLC was used as an example not the solution.

When a white Christian yells hate speech loud and long enough that someone in the audience takes action; that speaker is usually the victim of some court or government agency action.

But when a Lets say radical Muslim cleric, representing an organization who openly preaches jihad; sparks an individual or group of members/followers into action (ie act of terrorism)-no one does anything to the group.

Desperate treatment and application of the free speech principle.

If one is racist fine. I don't care. We all have prejudices. Want to say to the masses you're a racist? Fine. There is a difference in that and being incitful. Metzger incited the young usually runaway screwed up disenfranchised disenchanted white men with hate filled brainwashing rhetoric so they would do violent acts but afford him plausible deniability.

And the forces cam after him.

And to the leaders of CARE and MB and radical clerics? Hell Sharpton for that matter ..... Ah yep crickets.....

I’m not so sure . . . Dylann Roof and Timothy McVeigh are a couple of examples of Christians who became radicalized by listening to hate speech, and the speakers were not, and will not, be prosecuted, AFAIK.

Unfortunately, you live in a country with a Constitution that includes a Bill of Rights that guarantees freedom of speech. The Muslim clerics can no more be prosecuted for what they say than can the KKK, the Aryan Nations, the American Communist Party or Neo Nazis like WAR. In our country, it is not against the law to say something. It is against the law to do something.

I’m not sure the membership knows much about the Metzgers and WAR (White Aryan Resistance), or that one of the Metzgers (Tom) was a former Grand Wizard of the KKK, but here is a brief description of the event that seems to have you a bit riled up:

“On November 13, 1988, three white Aryan supremacists who were members of East Side White Pride, which allegedly had ties to WAR, beat to death Mulugeta Seraw, an Ethiopian man who had moved to the United States to attend college. In October 1990, the Southern Poverty Law Center won a civil case on behalf of the deceased's family against Tom and John Metzger, for a total of US$12.5 million. The jury awarded the figure based on: Kyle Brewster- $500,000, Ken Mieske-$500,000, John Metzger-$1,000,000, WAR-$3,000,000, Tom Metzger-$5,000,000, and the jury awarded $2.5 million for Mulugeta's unrealized future earnings, and pain and suffering. The SPLC did not charge for their work, and the Seraw family did not share any money won with the SPLC. The Metzgers did not have millions of dollars, so the Seraw family only received assets from the Metzger's $125,000 house and a few thousand dollars. The Metzgers declared bankruptcy, but WAR continued to operate. WAR continued to publish a newspaper despite the verdict. Metzger launched a website in 1997 and had an Internet radio program. The cost of trial, in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, was absorbed by the SPLC and the Anti-Defamation League.

WAR has been associated with dangerous individuals throughout its existence. WAR was mentioned in the press when it was revealed that a member threatened Rhode Island video stores which carried Jungle Fever. In 1994, Richard Campos, a WAR sympathizer, was convicted of racially motivated bombing plots. Calls were made stating that the bombings were perpetrated by an organization called the Aryan Liberation Front, of which Campos was the only member. In early 1995, Campos was sentenced to the maximum term of 17 years in prison.”

Note that the WAR lawsuit by the SPLC was as civil case, and not a criminal case. Note also that the damages were awarded by a jury of American citizens, and not by a judge or a part of the government. Conspiracy to commit a crime is not protected free speech under our system of laws. Sonny Barger found that out in the 1980’s, and the Metzgers found it out in 1990. White Aryan Resistance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you advocating for the White Aryan Resistance, Mike? Just curious.


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Old 07-28-2015, 04:43 PM   #5
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The Southern Poverty Law center IS a hate group!

However, they cloak their hatred of Whites and the Founding stock of this country (AND this country and its fast-disappearing freedoms) behind anti-White racist lies. (And the media lets them!) In this very thread, first we get "support" of the Constitution and the First Amendment -- but then we get an approving description of a case they laid against -- not the idiots who COMMITTED a brutal heinous crime, but people who object -- openly, strenuously, and loudly -- to the mass-replacement and destruction of the people who CREATED the Constitution and the First Amendment! (It's genocide whether you kill them (us!) all -- or replace us all!)

EITHER we have free speech OR we don't. EITHER we are allowed to say -- openly, strenuously, and loudly -- that we want OUR country to be majority-OUR people, OR we are NOT allowed to say that. I don't see the SPLCC going after the "gentle giant"'s step-father for inciting a riot. I don't see them raising a trembling hand to point out that maybe "we" ought NOT allow people "a space to be destructive." How would you feel if it was YOUR business they looted and burned down? Can't get insurance against riots. Tough luck -- no SPLCC giving a damn either! But they sure as hell go after THEIR most-hated group: White Americans!
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The Southern Poverty Law center IS a hate group!

However, they cloak their hatred of Whites and the Founding stock of this country (AND this country and its fast-disappearing freedoms) behind anti-White racist lies. (And the media lets them!) In this very thread, first we get "support" of the Constitution and the First Amendment -- but then we get an approving description of a case they laid against -- not the idiots who COMMITTED a brutal heinous crime, but people who object -- openly, strenuously, and loudly -- to the mass-replacement and destruction of the people who CREATED the Constitution and the First Amendment! (It's genocide whether you kill them (us!) all -- or replace us all!)

EITHER we have free speech OR we don't. EITHER we are allowed to say -- openly, strenuously, and loudly -- that we want OUR country to be majority-OUR people, OR we are NOT allowed to say that. I don't see the SPLCC going after the "gentle giant"'s step-father for inciting a riot. I don't see them raising a trembling hand to point out that maybe "we" ought NOT allow people "a space to be destructive." How would you feel if it was YOUR business they looted and burned down? Can't get insurance against riots. Tough luck -- no SPLCC giving a damn either! But they sure as hell go after THEIR most-hated group: White Americans!

NO! YOU ARE WRONG! The right to express yourself is not binary. The US Supreme Court has ruled that your freedom of speech is not unrestricted. You cannot, for example, stand up in a crowded theater and yell: FIRE! You cannot go on television or the radio and tell everybody that you are going to blow up a building and kill some people. If you do, you can bet there will be consequences, and you wonít like them. You cannot plot with your friends and relatives to assassinate the President, or anybody else, for that matter. Where do you get some of these ridiculous ideas?

You live in the United States of America. You claim to be a citizen. Why is it that you seem to lack the most basic understanding of your countryís system of justice, or its Constitution? Has hate so clouded your mind?



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