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Old 07-28-2015, 08:22 AM   #1
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I joined Ann Coulter's forum.

I've been reading Ann's book, Adios America, and found it to be well researched and informative. When I pulled up her website for additional information, I found she had a forum.

I've been there now for about a week, and it's fun if you like no-holds-barred political discussions. I would recommend you pack your jockstrap, however.

I think this would be a good arena for Richard and SnowTao to cross swords. I'm already savoring the meal yet to come, if I may steal a line from David Wenham...
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Old 07-28-2015, 08:36 AM   #2
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Love Ann Coulter. She is very intelligent and tells it like it is. I watch her on youtube schooling liberals all the time. Good stuff.
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Old 07-28-2015, 08:59 AM   #3
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She's a stink bomb thrower. Years after 911, she accused all the widows of the fallen 1st responders of being happy of losing their spouses and the wind fall settlement they received from the Govt.

Coulter: from her book <Godless: The Church of Liberalism> "These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief-arazzis. I've never seen people enjoying their husbands' deaths so much."
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Well, the issue I see is that a whole lot of conservatives are not being represented because we fear being called names. Sure, Donald and Ann can be argumentative and abrasive, but then so are most of us here.

Remember that old bumper sticker, "Real women make waves, not dinner"? Well, it applies to us, as well. If we are goody-goody with the leftists we're going to be down to paintball guns and rubber knives.
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Well, the issue I see is that a whole lot of conservatives are not being represented because we fear being called names. Sure, Donald and Ann can be argumentative and abrasive, but then so are most of us here.

Remember that old bumper sticker, "Real women make waves, not dinner"? Well, it applies to us, as well. If we are goody-goody with the leftists we're going to be down to paintball guns and rubber knives.
911 first responders and their surviving widows and children deserve a nations gratitude. Not to be made anything less then heroes, especially by some grandstanding self-promoting witch.
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911 first responders and their surviving widows and children deserve a nations gratitude. Not to be made anything less then heroes, especially by some grandstanding self-promoting witch.
As an individual, I agree. My wife is a teacher.

My take is that outlets like forums are the modern personification of "don't hide your light under a bushel." If you do not promote a position, even a worthwhile cause gets lost in the Tweets and Viagra advertisements.

As an older person I wish that good things would dominate every time. They do not. Bill Clinton lied about everything, and his wife might become president using the same formula. You and I are dinosaurs, howling like carnivores at the meteor headed for the Yucatan Peninsula.

I'll bet I handed out +300 business cards before I got my first referral. I know I sent out 133 resumes to get a job during the early 1980s because my wife counted them. Even forums track post counts.

The lockerroom at my gym is roundtable for political discussion. Most old guys say something like, "I dislike the way Trump acts, but I cannot deny the content." And if you're my age you'll also remember Cassius Clay--big mouth, bigger ego, beat everybody.
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I've been reading Ann's book, Adios America, and found it to be well researched and informative. When I pulled up her website for additional information, I found she had a forum.

I've been there now for about a week, and it's fun if you like no-holds-barred political discussions. I would recommend you pack your jockstrap, however.

I think this would be a good arena for Richard and SnowTao to cross swords. I'm already savoring the meal yet to come, if I may steal a line from David Wenham...
I have no desire to "cross swords" with SnowTao. You might find it amusing. I don't. The only reason why I respond at all to some of the more provocative posts on this forum is to set the record straight when I see bull$hit lies being presented as Truth to the other members.

As far as Ann Coulter is concerned, she is probably the best guest that Bill Maher has ever had on his show. He is both a comedian, and an arch-liberal. Coulter is an arch-conservative with a quick mind and a great sense of humor. The two of them together make a fascinating and entertaining show. The liberal left calls her "Coultergeist."

To see a little of the real Ann Coulter, read this interview with her that was held in 2002: Coultergeist | Observer





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I got no problem beating my own drum, nor do I a problem others doing the same. But beating upon the dead heroes of the 911 1st responders and their survivors is to much. Seeing those men rush into a highly dangerous burning and collapsing sky scrapper is something to behold. It is nothing to be mocked for the sake of some TV/Book profits and fame! I have no idea what miss Coulter was doing during 911, but I'd bet my last nickel, she wasn't putting her life on the line for the sake of others.

If you and others think her poop smells good, so be it. Personally, I'd piss on her afterwards to ensure her smoking corpse didn't start a secondary fire.
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If you and others think her poop smells good, so be it. Personally, I'd piss on her afterwards to ensure her smoking corpse didn't start a secondary fire.
I don't have a dog in that fight. I read lots of books that interest me and yet I know nothing of the author.

I do have a political side, albeit, it usually follows more redneck interests, like guns, free speech and helmet laws.

Now granted, I wish William F. Buckley, Jr. was still around to carry our message with a sense a style and words with more than one syllable. I don't think we'll see his kind again.

As I get older I find myself in the camp of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." And to that, not all of the followers of that forum are as strident. So, living near Madison it's just nice to hear something good about America instead of something that's a lie or Kenyan.
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She's a stink bomb thrower. Years after 911, she accused all the widows of the fallen 1st responders of being happy of losing their spouses and the wind fall settlement they received from the Govt.
Well, she's a bomb thrower, which is why I find her uncomfortable to read/listen to -- but her "bombs" are well-researched and sound.

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Coulter: from her book <Godless: The Church of Liberalism> "These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief-arazzis. I've never seen people enjoying their husbands' deaths so much."
{shrug} When someone is applauded for 'acting mean' -- it cannot be too much of a surprise that s/he continues the behavior. It's why I'm not comfortable with Coulter's methods, while applauding her ability to get OUT in the press and present truth to the liberal-idiots...

Godless was published in 2006. There was a lot of media 'spin' ("oh! They;'re heroes!") placed on the families who bent to the govt's pressure ("here's money: now go away and shut up forever; quit asking questions"), and a lot of media silence placed on the families who were pressing for answers. (How come they -- supposedly ALSO '911 heroes" -- had to fight for nearly FOUR YEARS to get the govt to put on a fakey investigation?)

Over time, the govt pressure shut down the questioning families, one by one... bought them off, if you will ... and I absolutely personally, experientially, understand them giving up the fight and taking the money! When your mate dies, your whole life goes to hell and survival becomes foremost -- even above finding out 'why he died.' The anger that it was an 'inside job' (to some, still unknown, extent); the horror that 'he needn't have died,' stops being enough to keep you fighting, because life has to go on. You have to find some way to pay the mortgage and the school fees and the electricity.

Being IN the media, Coulter does (or should) know that the 'lionizing' was NOT the families' doing; it was media "re-direction of public attention."

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911 first responders and their surviving widows and children deserve a nations gratitude. Not to be made anything less then heroes, especially by some grandstanding self-promoting witch.
Eh. Can't go there. The 911 responders were heroes/deserve our gratitude. The survivors are SURVIVORS -- they did not DO anything to deserve the accolade hero: hero means "having DONE some something heroic."

Here's a definition:
"A hero ... is a person or character who, in the face of danger and adversity or from a position of weakness, displays courage, bravery or self-sacrifice .. for some greater good; a man or woman of distinguished courage or ability."
By this definition, no, I don't find heroism in the families. There was no 'greater good' in their suffering -- or making in their dazed way through the suffering.

Courage? Sure, but so did I have courage when MY husband died suddenly. *I* was not a hero for living on, carrying on, finding a way to keep going. I was a human: EVERY human who loses a mate has to do this -- it's not heroism, it's the human condition! There is no 'greater good' in living on after your mate dies. There is just life. Plain-old human life.

Bravery? Uh, same thing as courage. Same answer. Do I disparage them for living on -- of course not! But that's not heroism, and while I have great sympathy for them -- there is no "gratitude": what on earth would I be grateful to the families FOR? Please do not mix up the responders and the families -- two wholly separate classes of humans! Which the media did a bang-up job of conflating!!

Self-sacrifice? No, the families didn't SELF-sacrifice; their 'normal' lives were sacrificed by ... someone or some power; not the thread to get into who is probably was. They FER SHURE did not choice this sacrifice -- and would absolutely give it back in a heartbeat if they could! (I have said, to friends, that "I would sacrifice ten years of my life (in a heartbeat!) for another twenty years with Michael.... but no one is offering me that deal." There's no bravery or courage or self-sacrifice in losing a mate.

I would urge you NOT to confuse the sacrifice made by first responders -- who sacrifice just as much if they die in a house fire, with the living-on-afterwards of the survivors. I would ask that you not think the families did anything 'special' as compared to families that survive any disaster. Don't weaken the concept of hero by making 'heroes' out of folks who merely live on after something that goes wrong. Heroism requires having done something heroic. "Not dying" in a disaster or tragedy is not heroic.

(Don't let the media stampede you in a direction they have chosen for you!)
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