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Old 07-31-2015, 07:55 AM   #1
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Are Illinois/Wisconsin gun laws bewildering, or is it just my perception?

oh, last avatar didn't scale-down very well, so i changed avatar, inevitably someone will wonder what ensign or flag my new avatar represents; its BIOT

( i must preface this posting by saying that i don't know the specifics about the gun laws in Illinois or Wisconsin)

I couldn't help notice that a few of my "welcome aboard" posters were from/live in northern Illinois; I was born and raised in a suburb of Milwaukee named Brookfield and have family in a Chicago suburb called Lake Forrest ; Frequent family outings allowed me to experience what the northern part of Illinois has to offer and i'll always be grateful for the opportunity to have explored northern illinois & southern wisconsin. Good places; Good people. A couple of years ago, after a 25 year absence, i suddenly had cause that necessitated my presence and have flown to milwaukee or chicago well over a dozen times in the last 2 years. I was impressed by most of the changes but completely bewildered by one: both states, have a strangely powerful disdain & hatred towards our guns, or don't they?-- i grew-up there, had hunters in the family & guns on the wall,,,and i don't have the faintest recollection of any bias towards guns one way or the other. My brother in Lake Forest and my daughter in brookfield, are normal people and visit the carolinas often & know i carry,.,.but seem to think nobody can carry a concealed weapon in chicago or milwaukee...i know their laws are skewed against people like us, but i also know what i can and cannot do, so i avoid an argument by my standard mantra: 'A legally concealed weapon is not just visually concealed, it's very existence is concealed from the knowledge of all those around"

Have years and years of gun bashing, coupled with senseless laws, actually 'brainwashed' these reasonable people of commonsense? My reaction here is only based on 1) my experience and discussions with 8-10 individuals ,2) what i've read in the news, 3) simple observations and 4) living there for 22 years. Anyone know how this came to be at both places , or am i just deluding myself because it's happening everywhere? ( others may say that i am simply deluded for not knowing, but as i've mentioned, until recently, i've spent a great deal of time abroad. )

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Old 07-31-2015, 09:00 AM   #2
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IMO (it is only opinion) those areas were/are heavily union and, therefore, heavily Democrat influenced. Eventually they became Democrat controlled. One of the mainstays of the Democrat platform seems to be very anti-gun. Some would say it's a matter of concern for public safety. Others would say it's a means to disarm the masses in order to gain a death grip of control that can't be resisted. I don't know which view is correct, or if it's something in between. All I know is that I am daily grateful to be living in the South.
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Both states have Republican governors and Wisconsin has a Republican-controlled state legislature.



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Old 07-31-2015, 11:27 AM   #4
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and correct me if im wrong, but didn't Mitt Romney pick Wisconsin Republican Congressman Paul Ryan as his vice presidential running mate in the 2012 national election....seem as though we always have enough pieces on the chess board, but they are never in the right place---thx for your input
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Illinois concealed carry restrictions:

Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of a public or private elementary or secondary school.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of a pre-school or
child care facility.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of the executive
or legislative branches (this excludes DNR parks).
Any building designated for matters before a circuit court, or any building or
portion of a building under the control of the supreme court.
Any building or portion of a building under the control of a unit of local
government.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of an adult or
juvenile detention facility, correctional institution, prison, or jail.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of a public or
private hospital, mental health facility, or nursing home.
Any bus, train, or form of transportation paid for in whole or in part with public
funds, and any building, real property, and parking area under the control of a public transportation facility.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of an
establishment that serves alcohol on its premises IF more than 50% of the establishment’s gross receipts within the prior 3 months is from the sale of alcohol. (Legal Heat Thought: This is the most asinine law I’ve ever read during my entire legal career).
Any public gathering or special event conducted on property open to the public
that requires the issuance of a permit from the unit of local government, provided this prohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must walk through a public gathering in order to access his or her residence, place of business, or vehicle.
Any building or real property that has been issued a special event retailer’s
license designated for the sale of alcohol.
Any public playground
Any public park, athletic area, or athletic facility under the control of a
municipality or park district (excluding while on a trail or bikeway if only a
portion of the trail or bikeway includes a public park).
Any real property under the control of the Cook County Forest Preserve District.
Any building, classroom, laboratory, medical clinic, hospital, artistic venue,
athletic venue, entertainment venue, officially recognized university related
organization property, and any real property, including parking areas, sidewalks,
and common areas under the control of a public or private community college,
college, or university.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of a gaming
facility.
Any stadium, arena, or the real property or parking area under the control of a
stadium, arena, or any collegiate or professional sporting event.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of a public
library.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of an airport.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of an amusement
park.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of a zoo or
museum.
Anywhere on OR AROUND the property of a nuclear facility (no parking near).
Posted buildings or property with signs conspicuously posted by the owner.
Prohibited Areas (federal)
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Old 07-31-2015, 06:56 PM   #6
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ok then,, that's a relief! So now i can stop bitching about how unreasonable and complicated the CCWP process can be. Seriously though, for the state of Illinois to proclaim that the law abiding citizenry can legally carry a concealed weapon with a permit which imposes all those restrictions is beyond absurd. It is a childish ploy that spineless politicians use in order to avoid saying 'No'.
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Down here it is:

(1) No government buildings that have security gates (metal detectors)
(2) No jails, prisons, etc.
(3) No schools
(4) If ya need to carry to church, get the preachers OK. Otherwise it will cost you $50 if you get caught.


Ooops, almost forgot a couple:

(5) No carry while attending an organized protest
(6) Turner Field dose not allow weapons. They were including off-duty police officers for a while, but now they have a special gate to enter. (BS flag)

I think that just about covers it, in a very loose generalized way.
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Originally Posted by Seraphim View Post
Illinois concealed carry restrictions:

Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of a public or private elementary or secondary school.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of a pre-school or
child care facility.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of the executive
or legislative branches (this excludes DNR parks).
Any building designated for matters before a circuit court, or any building or
portion of a building under the control of the supreme court.
Any building or portion of a building under the control of a unit of local
government.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of an adult or
juvenile detention facility, correctional institution, prison, or jail.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of a public or
private hospital, mental health facility, or nursing home.
Any bus, train, or form of transportation paid for in whole or in part with public
funds, and any building, real property, and parking area under the control of a public transportation facility.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of an
establishment that serves alcohol on its premises IF more than 50% of the establishmentís gross receipts within the prior 3 months is from the sale of alcohol. (Legal Heat Thought: This is the most asinine law Iíve ever read during my entire legal career).
Any public gathering or special event conducted on property open to the public
that requires the issuance of a permit from the unit of local government, provided this prohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must walk through a public gathering in order to access his or her residence, place of business, or vehicle.
Any building or real property that has been issued a special event retailerís
license designated for the sale of alcohol.
Any public playground
Any public park, athletic area, or athletic facility under the control of a
municipality or park district (excluding while on a trail or bikeway if only a
portion of the trail or bikeway includes a public park).
Any real property under the control of the Cook County Forest Preserve District.
Any building, classroom, laboratory, medical clinic, hospital, artistic venue,
athletic venue, entertainment venue, officially recognized university related
organization property, and any real property, including parking areas, sidewalks,
and common areas under the control of a public or private community college,
college, or university.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of a gaming
facility.
Any stadium, arena, or the real property or parking area under the control of a
stadium, arena, or any collegiate or professional sporting event.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of a public
library.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of an airport.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of an amusement
park.
Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of a zoo or
museum.
Anywhere on OR AROUND the property of a nuclear facility (no parking near).
Posted buildings or property with signs conspicuously posted by the owner.
Prohibited Areas (federal)

That list would probably be a lot shorter if it listed the places where you COULD carry concealed . . .



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Old 07-31-2015, 10:57 PM   #9
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yeah richard, a lot shorter.,.,something like:

#1) your home
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Wink Just Damn......

Boy am I glad that I live in Georgia!!! Home of the "Guns Everywhere Law!!!!" or so the anti's said. According to them, it was going to be "Dodge City" and there was gonna be blood, veins and guts running in the streets after House Bill 60, or the Safe Carry Protection Act of 2014 was passed.

I believe Chicago still holds the "blood in the streets" title. As for the "Dodge City" crack, it just proves that the anti's no less about history than the do about guns. According to Adam Winkler, Professor of Law, UCLA, in his book Gunfight: The Battle over the Right to Bear Arms in America, "When Dodge City residents organized their municipal government, do you know what the very first law they passed was? A gun control law. They declared that "any person or persons found carrying concealed weapons in the city of Dodge or violating the laws of the State shall be dealt with according to law." Many frontier towns, including Tombstone, Arizona--the site of the infamous "Shootout at the OK Corral"--also barred the carrying of guns openly."

Well guess what, the anti's were wrong.......AGAIN!!! Atlanta (and beautiful downtown Monroe, Georgia) hasn't got an OK Corral, our streets are still grey (not running red with blood, veins and guts) and the crime rate has actually gone down since the law passed. As I said, I'm glad that I live in Georgia.....NOW! (Even if I am an anachronism!)
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