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Old 08-08-2019, 02:13 PM   #1
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"red flag" laws

I know these laws are on the books in several states, I think it's 12? For the record I'm not a fan of the concept or the disregard for due process.
My question is how is it possible that challenges to these laws in their states haven't been successful? The concept seems to violate some basic established legal rights? Are there cases already destined for the SCOTUS?
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Old 08-08-2019, 06:26 PM   #2
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Not yet. They're looking for a good one with a good 'claimant.' The man killed in NJ is somehow not one?
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Old 08-08-2019, 07:18 PM   #3
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I may have a skewed idea of how the process is implemented? Being Governor Kemp is a strong 2A advocate I haven't worried much about laws in GA, I hadn't payed much attention to the details. Earlier I listened to the podcast of Dana Loesch's show from yesterday while driving down to Hilton Head. From the way she described the thing it sounds like there's a lot of potential for problems?
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Yep..... im in Florida and they have already taken some guns from people. So, if my neighbor don't like me, he can tell em' i was running around my yard naked at 2 a.m. last night talking about discharge! They somehow skew that into - Im planning on going on rampage to discharge assault rifles, with high capacity magazines - and come clean out my safe. BULLS#!T Better bury at least one in the backyard, right.
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Old 08-08-2019, 08:06 PM   #5
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That's essentially the way Loesh explained it. I'd like to believe it can't really be such a flawed process, hopefully it won't wind up being as bad as is being suspected. It sure has that "slippery slope" feel to it. I expect we'll be hearing a lot more about it that's for sure.
...and ya, I know this is KT, but I'm thinking a polymer shooter may hold up better in the old BYS (back yard safe).
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RlittleTarget, are you aware of the Constitutional Amendment to ban “Assault Rifles” in Florida is gaining ground?
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I don't really have a problem with in depth background checks. They need to weed the nut jobs out from owning guns IMO! I can wait 7 to 10 days to get a gun and it doesn't really bother me.....initially. I also don't have a big problem about red flag laws, in principle, if it stops crimes and assaults or murders. However, how the laws are applied is what concerns me. During the Obama Administration, I'm sure, due to the types of weapons I might own and my religious and political views would put me on their suspicious lists. I have no criminal record, have not threatened anyone and except for a few speeding tickets and a parking ticket, I have stayed within the boundries set by laws.

Just to give the progressive/socialist/Demoturds (and I used to vote demoturd)/liberal nut jobs any ground just sets me off. Some of those liberals don't even hide the fact that they want to eliminate black guns and even confiscate all guns if possible!

I think we are at about a 50/50 percent split on a lot of views in this country & that is ominous and feel that a civil war (either localized or national) could be in our near future.

The fact that who I vote for and who I refuse to vote for makes me subject to declarations of Nazism/racism/mysogonism/anti Americanism really pisses me off. And getting pissed off about that could even put me under such red flag laws is absurd. And, these days, "doxxing" and "swatting" folks seems to be an enjoyable way for the libs and millennials (or whatever the punks are now called) to have some "fun" disrupting peoples lives whose views they do not agree with! I can see "red flagging" ex spouses, ex lovers and neighbors whose views you don't care for or who have slighted you in the past becoming a national past time.

The fact that I mentioned a year or so back that there was a possibility of Trump achieving a nuclear treaty with N. Korea and the fact that I stood with POTUS Trump and did not care for POTUS Obama set off someone, who came from the same womb as I, to call me "ignorant" and a "racist" says a lot about the touchy feely progressives in this country. That, even though I said very little that was too critical about the messiah Obama during his 8 year reign. I let that rant go due to "family" but the relationship will never be the same and if that happens too many more times....banishment from my world will be in their future.

I believe the split between the factions will not get any better. Glad I'm old! I just hope the recurring vision I have of my last years doesn't come to fruition. Enough said!!

Pistol braces as with bump stocks are not in my interest and I could care less EXCEPT.....I hate to set a precedent and don't want to give the "banners" an inch!!
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Old 08-09-2019, 05:26 AM   #8
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The same people who report your FB posts as offensive,
will be calling tip lines to have your guns seized. Get it?


Vox Popoli: Never quit, never cuck

Never quit, never cuck
And never expect the Left, the libs, the Paper Americans, the globalists, or the neoclowns to finally start being reasonable:

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurt...sarm-n2551257]
Kurt Schlichter: One of their tactics is exhaustion -- to exhaust the weak among us and get them to say, "Gosh, if we just give in we can put this unpleasantness behind us." But you can't put anything behind you with these people, because there is nothing to put behind you. It's all a lie. You are not a racist. Your guns won't hurt anyone but criminals and aspiring tyrants. And the leftists know it. They know they are spewing skeevy slanders, and if you give in on this one -- handing over your AR-15 and hanging your head over prejudices you don't possess -- the libs and their newsprint lackeys will just club you with another set of grievances that you can only atone for through further submission.

It will never end. They will always hate you. Always. Nothing you can do will change that. Nothing. So get used to it and invite them to pound sand....

They are always going to hate you, so get any idea out of your head that if you just surrender then this endless tsunami of lies will finally be over. It won't, because it has nothing to do with what you actually think or have actually done. Nothing.
{Vox Day wraps up:} You cannot reason with the literally unreasonable. The only things they respect are will and power. So don't ever be reasonable with them. Conflict is now in the air we breathe, in the water in which we swim. Therefore, it is vital to learn how to let it energize rather than enervate you.

Needless to say, the cucks, neo-clowns and Paper Americans are all endorsing the latest attempt to violate the unalienable rights of Americans.

"Red flag laws are a good idea."
-- Ben Shapiro, 7 Aug 2019

And before you are tempted to take the idiotic position that because Little Benny went on to qualify his endorsement of gun control, it doesn't count and he isn't a fake conservative Paper American, notice this subsequent exchange:
Originally Posted by Cameron [email protected]_kasky
The good news, in my opinion, is that almost every mass shooter Iíve personally learned about had several people around them who knew they were at risk of violence. There are exceptions, of course, like the Vegas shooter, but I think red flag laws can do an awful lot to help
Originally Posted by Ben [email protected]
I totally agree, and have been stumping for GVROs for years.
The Fake Right is actually a bigger problem than the Left because it gatekeeps, disrupts, and confuses the genuine Right. Which, of course, is why the Fake Right is more properly considered an important part of the Left.

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and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man?
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this estimable space of yours opened my eyes to little Benny Shapiro. I used to think "well well, an actual Jewish right winger". The scales are now off.
Great post and great article cited. Their hatred is so intense and unreasonable that they even turn it against each other. Look at the way they are attacking Tulsi Gabbard. Did we buy any peace or goodwill by caving on gay marriage, or just set ourselves up for the subsequent tranny onslaught? They never, ever stop.
"When I am weaker than you, I ask you for Freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your Freedom because that is according to my principles." ― Frank Herbert
Red flag laws sound an awful lot like Pol Pot's adolescent revolutionaries taking away the arms of the rest of the people under the Communist banner.
Oddly, throwing the obviously dangerous mentally ill person in a psychiatric hospital is considered a violation of constitutional rights.
Red Flag laws violate, not only the 2d Amendment, but Due Process, the Confrontation clause, and the prohibitions on search and seizure....So much for "muh Constitution" cuckservatives....
Never give up! Never surrender!

Everyone needs to understand that the ultimate goal of the Left is the death of our bodies and the destruction of our souls. They want power and mean to have it be any means, fair or foul, and we, the Americans, stand in their way.
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Old 08-09-2019, 05:51 AM   #9
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Bit more from Schlicter's article:

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They are always going to hate you, so get any idea out of your head that if you just surrender then this endless tsunami of lies will finally be over. It won't, because it has nothing to do with what you actually think or have actually done. Nothing. It's a means of oppression, a tactic to stop you from exercising your right to be a citizen instead of a serf.

The libs' goal in disarming you is not to stop crime. If it were, the blue cities where they rule would not be the urban war zones the media tries to ignore (we are blessed to have an alternative media that outflank the lying mainstream press). Ask a liberal -- the problem is police arresting too many criminals. The problem, to them, is mass incarceration, as if the massively incarcerated are all innocent honor students swept up in some sort of malicious dragnet.

We think criminals ought to be in jail. The Democrats' goal is to make us into criminals -- once we're criminalized the whole over-incarceration crisis will vanish and they'll get all Old School Kamala 1.0 vis a vis locking people up.

Defenseless, silenced and paying for everyone else's stuff, all while being abused and disrespected -- that's what the left wants for you.
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Random comments from around:

Nobody succeeded. They seceded. And Gettysburg et al didn't save the Union, it destroyed it. If your wife thought ( rightly or not) you were abusive and asked for a divorce, then you beat her and locked her in the basement, did you save your marriage?


Civil War? Yeah not out of the realm a possibility for sure. The left has become totally unhinged violent and super aggressive in their campaign to Stamp Out conservative speech and conservative thinking. With the media behind them they will keep pushing until they get pushed back.


Civil War 2: Tens of Millions could die in the first 3 months... Half of America could die by the time it's over... mostly in urban areas.
Foreign Troops, WWIII most likely w/ Nukes... Half of the world could die, or more...
All for a Commie Revolution that they can't win...


We may lose to the Democratic-Socialist (Communist/Globalist) but it's completely hilarious to hear the crap coming from their "Convention." There's not going to be much of a "safe space" if they if they start this fight. Additionally, the Mensheviks may find out that the Bolsheviks don't really care about their feelings.


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Old 08-09-2019, 06:39 AM   #10
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Newer comments here (many many people see this as a "closer" (to civil war) problem than some...):

When ordinary people I work with (engineers and programmers) are now stating they see civil war within five years, you know the scales are tipping dangerously.
This latest round of "mass shootings" has really sucked the cucks right out of the woodwork. So many "establishment" types making the hysterical "you want crazy people to have guns?!?!?!" arguments and aping the lefties favorite "I can't understand fourth grade English" "guns are only for the WELL REGULATED MULISHA!" blather.

What the founders failed to anticipate wasn't modern weapons, it was the horrible cognitive decline and increase in basic moral cowardice in postmodern America. They never imagined a population that can't understand a subordinate clause and has the emotional continence of infants.
Simply untrue. Think about it - they existed BEFORE the cognitive decline you mention.
They also openly said that the Constitution was designed to govern a moral people and is not fit for any other purpose.
The geriatric Sen. Mitch McConnell, ensconced in his own home surrounded by violent, screaming BLM/Antifa scum, is preparing to strip the people of the right to defend themselves. The GOPe will sell the Left the rope to hang us with. White Americans have no representation whatsoever in this failed Government.
The left's red flags always come with a hammer and sickle.
I have to admit, I watch and read very little news anymore other than from a few trusted sources. I am somewhat surprised that all the sudden these two incidents are getting this much traction with the pols. In the grand scheme of things the death toll is fairly low compared to other incidents and one of them is clearly an atheist antifa problem, not a gun problem.

McConnell is now saying he will bring a bill to the floor. The only explanation of why he is doing so is he knows it will be devastating to Trump if he signs it. Meanwhile, Trump is saying he will sign it loudly and publicly. The cucks see this as their opportunity to get rid of him in 2020.

I am hoping there is someone in Trumps ear telling him to shut up about it and under no circumstances should he sign any gun control bill that gets passed. Where is Don Jr when Trump needs him?
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