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Old 05-09-2016, 08:59 PM   #1
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Pretty sure I can come up with an answer, but why don't we allow the popular vote to be the vote on record. In primaries we have delegates and in the General we have the Electoral College. Nobody else gets elected that way, so why does the president?
Would they be afraid that someone would not get to vote. Looks like they are suppressing the vote the way it is. I live in Southern Illinois, I also see that Chuck also lives in Illinois. It really doesn't matter for whomever we would happen to vote for in the General. Chicago has enough votes to cancel all of us out and as Chicago goes so does the state. So Illinois is going to be a Hillary state. So why should I bother to cast a ballot for the president other than to say I did.
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Old 05-09-2016, 09:14 PM   #2
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Because you never know how many Hillery supporters will be
A. Too drunk to vote.
B. Too high to vote.
C. To lazy to vote.
D. Think they already voted yesterday.
Etc.
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Old 05-09-2016, 09:20 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Tankgunner View Post
Because you never know how many Hillery supporters will be
A. Too drunk to vote.
B. Too high to vote.
C. To lazy to vote.
D. Think they already voted yesterday.
Etc.
You just described many of my friends...
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Without the Electorial Collage, a handful of States (North East & Kalifornia) would elect the Preident based on their population.
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Without the Electorial Collage, a handful of States (North East & Kalifornia) would elect the Preident based on their population.
Yes. The Superdelegate thing is total BS.
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Old 05-10-2016, 06:45 AM   #6
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We vote with the electoral college because that is what the Framers put into the Constitution.

The idea was, and is, that it keeps all the elections from being decided by just few populated states.

The primaries are a different matter entirely. There is nothing in the Constitution that requires primaries, or political parties, for that matter.

Primaries are a construct, a recent construct, of the different parties. They can change their own rules at any time. They could get rid of primaries tomorrow.

People, and the news, act like the primaries are some grand part of our government, but they are not. It's a party process only, and even then, it's the conventions that count. All of that could be changed with the stroke of a pen.
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Originally Posted by Maineiac64 View Post
Yes. The Superdelegate thing is total BS.
That has nothing to do with the Electoral College.
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In a round about way, higher population state's have more influence anyways. Electors are based on the number of Rep in the House, which is based on the state's population right?

Are they chosen at the state's district level? Meaning New York could not choose all their Electors from the liberal city when there are plenty of conservatives in other districts say in Upstate (at least as I have been told)?
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Old 05-10-2016, 03:08 PM   #9
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Jeff and Mike both present very valid points.

Also, remember that in the 1700's there was no such thing as an effective national communication system. If you tried to use popular vote for the president in 1800 it might take years for all the votes to be tallied and reported back to election headquarters.

Back in the day, votes were openly and readily bought and sold among the population. Now the bribery is kept among the elite class.
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I'm voting for Sonny Barger. Not a chance he'll win, but I'd feel like I'd be wasting my vote if I voted the schmoozer or the liar.

I imagine a world where Sonny is president. You wouldn't need a wall on the Mexican border, the illegals would try to outrun the enforcers just to get home.

ISIS? Well, the survivors would be beheaded on bike night.

Welfare? Well, Canada is close, they have welfare. And don't complain about your bad back to a guy who had his voice-box cut out.

Sonny is my guy. He obviously can't be killed, can't be bargained with, can't be reasoned with, doesn't know pity or remorse or fear or Kawasaki, and he absolutely will not stop ever until our Constitution is once again the law of the land...
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