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Old 02-12-2014, 02:42 PM   #1
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Where are you looking when the SHTF?

Thank God I've never been in a self defense situation. Hope I never am. I would like nothing more than to realize at the end of my life that I spent all that time and ammo practicing for something that never occurred.

That being said, it has crossed my mind that the most natural thing for me (most people) to do in a confrontation is to look at the opponents eyes/face for clues as to what is about to happen next.

When the time comes to pull the trigger, how do you train yourself to stop looking at the face and focus on a center-mass target? Does the military/LEO have a training technique for this?
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Originally Posted by Insta-Gator View Post
Thank God I've never been in a self defense situation. Hope I never am. I would like nothing more than to realize at the end of my life that I spent all that time and ammo practicing for something that never occurred.

That being said, it has crossed my mind that the most natural thing for me (most people) to do in a confrontation is to look at the opponents eyes/face for clues as to what is about to happen next.

When the time comes to pull the trigger, how do you train yourself to stop looking at the face and focus on a center-mass target? Does the military/LEO have a training technique for this?
I guess since every situation would be different I don't see a way to "train" for it. I do "train" that when I draw my firearm, I'm on the sights so I guess that's what I'd do. Hope I never have to find out!
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Old 02-12-2014, 04:16 PM   #3
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Most people that have been a gun fight say the only thing they saw was the other persons gun.
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Most people that have been a gun fight say the only thing they saw was the other persons gun.
Good point.
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Old 02-12-2014, 04:26 PM   #5
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Most people that have been a gun fight say the only thing they saw was the other persons gun.
Two officers that are good friends of mine both said that exact statement almost word for word. I hope nobody ever has to ask me that question!!!
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When the time comes to pull the trigger, how do you train yourself to stop looking at the face and focus on a center-mass target?
I have CT grip lasers. When practicing, (in my back yard) I try and get myself worked up, jittery. Semi adrenalin rush. Then force myself to try and calm down, and draw from the holster, firing twice, then scan the area for more threats, put safety on and re-holster. Repeat. With the laser's dot, I don't have to always get the pistol out in front, and when jittery that laser is dancing all over the place. For me, this has been working, I'm getting tighter groups. So to answer your question, I'd try to stay focused on face and hands, always keeping the red dot on target. God, I hope I NEVER have to draw on someone...
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When you are honestly in fear of imminent death,or great bodily harm to yourself or another,that is the time to squeeze the trigger.That threat could come from another person armed with a gun,or knife,a baseball bat,or even an unarmed subject who is an expert in the martial arts.Or even someone who by thier mere physical prowess and conditioning has put you in fear of imminent death or great bodily harm.Whatever the case just remember that you'll have to answer to the judicial system,so you better have your ducks in a row,a good lawyer,and an intelligent jury.But in the end it sure beats being planted six feet under.
I think I just went off on a tangent here.Don't worry about the guys face and eyes,just aim at the torso and fire until the danger no longer exists.

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I dropped out after I was used as an upper classman's punching bag, but my few weeks in a martial arts class taught me to watch the center of mass and not the eyes. Glance at the eyes, yes, but concentrate on the center. If you watch, you can see every body movement from that point.
That said, I've never had to face anyone in that situation so I have no idea if will do any good.
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