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Old 06-16-2016, 01:37 PM   #1
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Are you conflicted? A hypocrite?

There are times in our lives when we all need to take a deep breath, do a gut check and turn off emotion so that our principles remain intact and we act in accordance with our belief system. I like the term "intellectually lazy" for many. They claim to be *** (Conservative, Liberal, Republican, Democrat, etc.) but make statements, decisions or take action in conflict with their self declared handle.

I respect those of any point of view IF they are truly committed and loyal to the brand. I can also respect those that openly subdivide themselves such as " Fiscally conservative, Socially liberal".

I hold distain for those that are single issue voters when that issue is not based on a Constitutional stance. At this point in our history there are no room for those willing allow us to turn Socialist in order to get a free education for example.

I consider myself very well read on the writings of our founders and of founding documents. But I admit that with age we get wiser and our beliefs can change. This is why I don't get concerned when a candidate is called a flip flopper on an issue when they can explain their reasoning.

I used to not care at all on the abortion issue for example. I saw others as being much more important and from an emotional stance there are days I care and other days I don't. But from a constitutional standpoint I am pro life in that I have erred for years over the "our posterity" (future generations) of the preamble. Since I do not believe the government is to select "winners and losers" (ie. Solendra) then abortion is a selective application of genocide. Regardless of who is making the decision.

Another issue is the 2nd Amendment. Some have a shotgun and deer rifle for hunting a couple times per year and support restrictions. They don't understand the big picture. Some on this forum have vocally approved of the denial of "due process" to some for they never think it will be denied to them. If that is the position then we do not need arms at all. These may claim to be conservatives etc but trust in the government to provide safety for liberties lost as Franklin warned against. To believe that human beings have evolved to the point that a government will not become tyrannical is foolish and one who does not absolve the world around them.

A conflict I have never understood is how a person of constitutional or conservative belief can be a labor union member. These organizations continually contribute their members money to liberal, socialist causes and candidates. And to my local research, without ever polling their membership or even the local or state executive boards.

When the president of the FOP testified in support of the 1994 Crime/Assault weapons Bill, I wrote a foul letter to him with my torn up card in the envelope. I get losing a vote, majority rules etc. But there is no democracy process in these groups. Leadership acts unchecked.

When my police department obtained meet and confer and formed labor unions I did not join. I personally see people who say one thing but do another when it benefits them personally. Thus on local issues they like the gains they obtain but turn a blind eye to what the national union does. Follow the money, there are only 4 unions in this country. Every local pays upward, like the mafia soldiers...

Do you put constitution and country ahead of yourself? Did you cuss what the clunker car trade in (auto industry stimulus scam) would cost the tax payers, but participated when you found you could get $4500 for for that POS that sat in the barn for a decade?

Did you curse those that walked away from homes they could still afford to make payments on because values crashed, thus violating your word on the signed contract. Did you buy another house when the market stabilized then walked away from the one you when upside down in only to screw your neighbors again with a lower property value? How was this explained to your children while you teach honesty to them?

When a lib wants to talk politics with me I ask two questions first:

Do you believe in income equality/redistribution?
Do you make more than $46k per year (national average) and if so you give everything over the 46k in your household to others right?

You can see I no longer waste my time with idiots and hypocrites.

The time for this country getting its duck in a row is certainly now. But it starts at an individual level.

This ought to now get fun...I will watch with Crown and popcorn.
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Old 06-16-2016, 04:57 PM   #2
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I consider myself very well read on the writings of our founders and of founding documents. But I admit that with age we get wiser and our beliefs can change. This is why I don't get concerned when a candidate is called a flip flopper on an issue when they can explain their reasoning.
I agree. There is nothing that makes me crazier than when someone is accused of being a "flip-flopper" like it's a bad thing.

We all learn new things as time goes on. I want someone that is willing to learn, to consider new positions, and is willing to change.

When I was in college, I really had no problem with gun control. I didn't know. Had no experience with guns except for a pellet gun and boy scout camp. But I learned and changed my position. Does that make me a flip flopper.

People should not be condemned one position on an issue for their entire life. I want to elect people that realize they don't know everything. I want someone who is willing to learn.
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Old 06-16-2016, 05:13 PM   #3
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Yes, I have changed my views many times over the years. My son changed my mind about The Patriot Act after we had a long discussion. Others viewpoints can be persuasive but when your kid can make valid points and change your opinion, you know you've finally grown up.

I have no problem with gun control as a theory........I just have a problem with the politicians and lawmakers who will administrate it. More often than not, they will overstep what they have proposed and you will get something way more oppressive and distorted that what was initially stated. Weasels like Chuckie Schumer, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Diane Feinstein make me sick just to listen to them and see their arrogant little faces lying to the public! But then, more and more Republicans give me the same feeling. It's like they're combining forces to pull the wool over all our faces.
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Don't think I'm gonna contribute to the interesting aspect of this thread. Mike, I totally agree with you. Your commentary was well stated.
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Old 06-16-2016, 07:30 PM   #5
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I have to say to your credit Mike I admire the fact you can firmly have such solid feelings about due process and such. From what I've gathered from various posts of yours you've been involved in law enforcement. I don't know how you keep from getting jaded? An old fishing buddy of mine wound up making law enforcement his career. I can recall after he had worked in the field for just a few years we got to talking after a fishing trip and it struck me how differently we saw the world around us. Walking down the same street he would notice things that I was oblivious to. It was like we were in different worlds, I'm noticing girls, squirrels and wondering if it was going to rain and he's seeing a car that belonged to a bad guy and wondering what he was doing in that area and what not? I couldn't help feeling bad for him in the sense that his focus was instinctively on that kind of stuff. Hats off to you Mike, they should pay you guys more :-)
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I have to say to your credit Mike I admire the fact you can firmly have such solid feelings about due process and such. From what I've gathered from various posts of yours you've been involved in law enforcement. I don't know how you keep from getting jaded? An old fishing buddy of mine wound up making law enforcement his career. I can recall after he had worked in the field for just a few years we got to talking after a fishing trip and it struck me how differently we saw the world around us. Walking down the same street he would notice things that I was oblivious to. It was like we were in different worlds, I'm noticing girls, squirrels and wondering if it was going to rain and he's seeing a car that belonged to a bad guy and wondering what he was doing in that area and what not? I couldn't help feeling bad for him in the sense that his focus was instinctively on that kind of stuff. Hats off to you Mike, they should pay you guys more :-)
thanks.. Oh I am jaded and feel most are oxygen thieves until proven differently. Remember, friends are just people that haven't screwed you yet.

But I never felt there was fat to be trimmed from the Constitution. Due process? Yes...and an express lane to the gas chamber.
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