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Old 08-14-2015, 07:09 PM   #1
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UM3 mount and Strikefire 2 red dot

RANGE REPORT

Due to aging eyes, I've been looking to alternatives to iron sights at ranges over 15 yards. Beneath that, iron sights are fine - rarely need sights at all for combat fire. But because the front sight has become a bit blurry, it's harder to be consistently precise.

Needing to learn more about red dots, I started with my FNH FiveSeveN. Ordered a UM3 mount from UM Tactical, and picked up a Vortex Strikefire at a reasonable price. I started with a tube optic to begin with - it's versatile and I have an M92 I might SBR, and it would work well there.

The UM3 mount is nice, and performs as advertised. There is one glitch on the FiveSeveN: it only fits on the foremost notch on the lower rail. If you push it back to the second, it comes into contact with a bump that protects the takedown bumper and lightly gouges the polymer. It will go back no further, which leaves the weight of the red dot - about 7 ounces- fairly far forward and the weight pushes down on the front of the slide. Further back, the weight would be closer to the center of gravity, and would not be as noticeable when holding the weapon. It's a simple matter to notch the UM3 mount though, so it's not insurmountable. Other than that minor glitch, the mount performed it's function well. There is a 2" rise from the center of the barrel to the center of the optic. The UM3 slides off and on the firearm smoothly.

The Strikefire optic mounts easily on the UM3 and performs nicely. I didn't bore sight the optic, but started making adjustments at 5 yards, then 10, then 15 an I finally zeroed it at 20 yards. I liked the ballistic calculations better than a 25 yard zero: it gave me a few more usable yards in range before dropping off quickly.

The one nit I have with the Strikefire is the adjustment clicks don't. You can barely feel them, but they are there. It probably took me about 30 minutes to complete the zeroing process because I was being slow and cautious. It still was a smooth process.

Overall, using red dots are going to take a bit of acclimatization, but the precision is there at distance. The 4 MOA dot would be nicer at 2 MOA, but I don't see it being significant, as it 175 yards the calculated round drop becomes more steep and, for my purposes, unusable (-4.9" at 175, -10" at 200). Realistically, shooting outdoors even in mild wind, the light round will suffer in accuracy at those ranges.

Perceived front end movement is more pronounced with a red dot than with iron sights, but it didn't affect accuracy, unless I held the firearm in position too long. The extra weight from the mount and optic (about 9 ounces combined) is noticeable on a 25 ounce (unloaded) firearm.

I'm happy to have made the purchase. I'll get more enjoyment from the FiveSeveN now. The high velocity round (2100 fps for the sporting round) has a relatively flat trajectory. The 2" sight height gives the round a bit more elevation - about 2.1 inches at 75 yards - but not enough to be significant.

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Photo of the rig, showing the takedown button (gray vertical oval on frame):
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Calculated ballistics

Your Input Variables
Ballistic Coefficient 0.118 Velocity (ft/s) 2100 Weight (grains) 40
Maximum Range (yds) 300 Interval (yds) 25 Drag Function G1
Sight Height (inches) 2 Shooting Angle (degrees) 0 Zero Range (yds) 25
Wind Speed (mph) 0 Wind Angle (degrees) 90 Altitude (ft) 0
Pressure (hg) 29.53 Temperature (F) 59 Humidity (%) 0.78
Ballistics Results
RANGE (YARDS) VELOCITY (FPS) ENERGY (FT.-LB.) TRAJECTORY (IN) COME UP IN MOA COME UP IN MILS WIND DRIFT (IN) WIND DRIFT IN MOA WIND DRIFT IN MILS
Muzzle 2100 392 -2 0 0 0 0 0
25 1936 333 0 0 0 0 0 0
50 1782 282 1.4 -2.6 -0.8 0 0 0
75 1637 238 2.1 -2.7 -0.8 0 0 0
100 1502 200 2 -1.9 -0.6 0 0 0
125 1379 169 0.9 -0.7 -0.2 0 0 0
150 1270 143 -1.3 0.8 0.2 0 0 0
175 1177 123 -4.9 2.7 0.8 0 0 0
200 1102 108 -10 4.8 1.4 0 0 0
225 1043 97 -16.9 7.2 2.1 0 0 0
250 996 88 -25.8 9.9 2.9 0 0 0
275 956 81 -36.9 12.8 3.7 0 0 0
300 921 75 -50.4 16 4.7 0 0 0
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First group after 20 yard zero (5" circle) at 20 yard distance.

Practice with the optic should tighten this up.
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Link to Strikefire 2 specs


Vortex Optics - StrikeFire II Red Dot Red/Green<br />Cantilever
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That's a hell of a rig, I absolutely know what you mean about older eyes and a fuzzy front sight.
I have had a strikefire on one of my AR's for years very good optic, holds zero very well. Also have their smaller red dot(SPARC)on a AK it's a good one also.
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Old 08-15-2015, 07:54 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Tankgunner View Post
That's a hell of a rig, I absolutely know what you mean about older eyes and a fuzzy front sight.
I have had a strikefire on one of my AR's for years very good optic, holds zero very well. Also have their smaller red dot(SPARC)on a AK it's a good one also.
I'll also be looking for an optic for my S&W 460V, but I'm not sure what manufacture will hold up to the recoil. UltraDot has been suggested, as has Leupold's offerings. Just not sure...
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I'm going to add a note here: I removed the rig from the FiveSeven because several people at an FN forum mentioned several FiveSeven frames have been known to crack using this style mount. I couldn't find any case histories online, just a couple of 'it's been known to happen', but I chose not to risk it. Solution?
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When the loc-title cures I'll take it out and run some .45LC through it. If it does fine, then .454 and .460. Since the optic has a lifetime no-matter-what warranty, I'll put the optic to the test.
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They are designed for AR's, it will be interesting to see how it holds up on your hand canon. Your having way to much fun...
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