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Old 02-26-2020, 08:03 AM   #1
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Question for AR guys

Is it possible to install a pistol brace in place of a shoulder stock on your AR?
If possible, is it then legal to shorten your barrel without registering or applying for a tax stamp as you would have to do if you were buying an SBR?
In and effort to get to the point quicker, can you convert an AR rifle into an A.R. pistol on your own?
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Old 02-26-2020, 08:15 AM   #2
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I don't about the legal end, but yes you can do it. I would probably be easier to build a AR pistol then modify a rifle.
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Old 02-26-2020, 08:45 AM   #3
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I found this on the subject

Once a Rifle, Always a Rifle

The BATFE has made it very clear that once a receiver is built into a rifle, whether by a factory or by you, it is always a rifle and converting it to a pistol is illegal. However, it is perfectly legal to build the receiver into a pistol first and then convert it to a rifle. If the receiver is built into a pistol first, you can configure it back and forth from handgun to rifle and back again as much as you want. However, you must be vigilant to ensure that a shorter than 16″ barrel is never on the receiver at the same time as a stock.

The proper order for converting an AR pistol to a rifle is to remove the short barrel (usually done by removing the entire upper receiver group), installed the 16″+ barrel (usually done by installing an entire upper receiver group), and then installing the stock. I repeat, the stock and short barrel must never be on the receiver at the same time or you will have created an illegal short barreled rifle (SBR).

The proper order for converting a rifle BACK to an AR pistol is to remove the stock, remove the 16″+ barrel, and finally install the <16″ barrel.

There is some wisdom in building every AR-15 lower receiver that you purchase into a pistol first. That way you have the maximum versatility should you want to convert it to a pistol later.

Cite: BATFE on converting pistols to rifles
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Thanks Chuck. That's why you get the big bucks.
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Old 02-26-2020, 09:30 AM   #5
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It's very simple.

Buy a complete lower including pistol brace. There's many to chose from. Below is a complete pistol lower with brace for $129 shipped. When it comes to your FFL it's transferred as a pistol. Then you can shorten the barrel on your AR upper and use it with the pistol lower absent a stamp.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-...ine-black.html
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So if I have this right, (bear with me I'm old) you want to reconvert the AR 15 pistol that you originally built and later converted to a rifle back to a pistol?
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Not sure what you're asking chuck, but what defines an AR is the lower receiver.

Let's assume the Kid has a complete AR now with a 16in barrel. He's asking if he can shorten the barrel without having to go through the SBR tax stamp process. The answer is yes. Buy a pistol lower and brace (shown in the link above), then he can shorten the barrel to whatever he likes and use it with the pistol lower.

Most folks just buy a complete AR pistol because the prices of ARs are so cheap these days it's not worth dicking around around cutting and threading barrels. Besides, you end up with a AR lower that you're not using... and after a few weeks you end up buying another 16in upper anyway!
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Old 02-26-2020, 09:41 AM   #8
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Phil, has the cure.

So basically yes, all changes can be made, NO, it would NOT be legal in the eyes of the law.

"Pistol" Sig Rattler 300blk, Tax Stamp for suppressor.
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What 2Sharp2 has is what we're talking about. He has a pistol lower and brace that is mated to an upper with a short barrel. No SBR tax stamp required.
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Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil View Post
What 2Sharp2 has is what we're talking about. He has a pistol lower and brace that is mated to an upper with a short barrel. No SBR tax stamp required.

Thank you Phil. I will add the only "bad" thing about my Rattler is they are not cheap. Some other makers are coming out with there versions, some a little less expensive.
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