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I would assume a large percentage of us on this forum excercise their right to carry concealed, as do I. Today's
"mass shooter" seems to make their weapon of choice an AR type rifle, not only that many are now wearing tactical
gear, including bullet proof vest, among other things. Would I go up against a shooter with an AR and tactical gear,
with my 1911, not unless I was standing right next to him/her. I would be heading for cover just like everyone else at the mall, park, diner, nightclub name the place. By the time police arrive they really have no idea who the shooter is,
that makes anyone with a gun in their hand a target for them. Should the shooter come looking for more victims like so many of them do my 1911 may greet them, but by them possibly wearing a vest a shot needs to be precise and delivered quickly. I will always carry, but the above scenario makes me rethink how I may go about things.
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I feel left behind! My only EDC is my Custom II 😄
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In todays environment those that carry openly become a target . In concealed carry, you have options. A concealed carrier needs to have continuous situational awareness .such action adds to long term stress but necessary in these times.vigilence and having a general plan formed but subject to immediate change as the situation unfolds. Keeping your firearm concealed unless you are engaged may prevent you from being targeted by LEO‘s who upon arrival will consider you with an firearm exposed is the shooter. Not every person is a good or luck shot as the person who shot the guman at 40 ft and stop the threat. In most situations you need to think defensively.
Yes my bad I wrote 40 ft instead of 40 yards.
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Yes my bad I wrote 40 ft instead of 40 yards.
Eli wasn't relying on luck.
He trains regularly, and grew up shooting with his grandfather.
He was 22 years old when it happened.

That shooting made me seriously reevaluate my own training and CCW/EDC mindset.
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Sadly, today is a different time, the people lack patriotism and pride in our country, they are takers not givers. During WWII, high school kids were volunteering for all branches of the service. They were a different breed of young men, a lot of them were farm boys that could work a man today to death before they went to school in the morning. They knew guns, how to shoot, and being out in adverse weather was second nature to them. My father refused to talk about his time during the war, he was ashamed that he was exempt from the service. Mom said when he got drafted, the owner of the company he worked for at the time got on a train and went to Springfield, Illinois to talk with Governor Stelle. He told the Governor that if he lost my father, he would have to close his manufacturing company because dad built and maintained a lot of the machinery they were using to produce parts for the then secrete Norden Bomb Sight. Until the day he died, he was ashamed and refused to talk about that time of his life.

Just a week or two ago, they mentioned on TV that (correct me if I got it wrong) 68% - 78% of today's young people are unfit for the armed service.

Just another note:
How many people know that even though we no longer have the draft, current law requires that, with a few exceptions, every male citizen and immigrant (documented or undocumented) must register with the Selective Service within 30 days of his 18th birthday.
Sadly but true. I recall reading my draft notice while sitting in a fox hole in SE ASIA. My sgt wanted know what I was reading so intently.I explain that it was my draft notice. He smiled at me and said that I could not go and report.
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While in boot camp in 1964, I was both a bit pleased and surprised that almost all the guys in my company were volunteers. Although some "volunteered" at the urging of others. Of course that was before the draft was implemented later. We were a different country then with almost no resemblance to what it has become.
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While in boot camp in 1964, I was both a bit pleased and surprised that almost all the guys in my company were volunteers. Although some "volunteered" at the urging of others. Of course that was before the draft was implemented later. We were a different country then with almost no resemblance to what it has become.
Amen brother. You would be embarrassed to see these guys now….
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Here's a thought.......
Just suppose for a minute that the world was faced with the exact set of circumstances as existed in Dec 1941. The Nazi's in Germany, and the Japs both at war with us. Back then we had pride in our nation, and all rose up to defend it before we got invaded by either or both.
What do you suppose would be the fate of the USA if those conditions and circumstances existed right now. Would our young men and women rise up to defend the country, or run away to their safe space and cuddle up with their blankies?

The fate of our nation of the very existence of civilization would be at stake. I hesitate to ponder this too much, as I'm afraid I know the answer, and it's not something I want to dwell on. I'm glad I'm into geezerhood and near the end of that tunnel of life. The next 50 years or so will dictate the entire future of our nation......if we have one.
If you remember your history Rick the US was an isolated country in those days. We weren't really wanting to get in the war. It wasn't until the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor that we entered the war. Thus, all the conspiracy theories about FDR knowing and allowing the attack to happen.

The same with 9/11. Patriotism was pretty much nonexistent until the Twin Towers were hit. Then suddenly support our troops and thank you for service became a big deal. Now it's dying down again.

As a nation, we go to war on average every 20 years. It will come around again. Every generation complains about the last. The Vietnam Vets called us the Pepsi Generation Army. We held the line. The generation after us continued to hold the line, and so on
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If you remember your history Rick the US was an isolated country in those days. We weren't really wanting to get in the war. It wasn't until the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor that we entered the war. Thus, all the conspiracy theories about FDR knowing and allowing the attack to happen.

The same with 9/11. Patriotism was pretty much nonexistent until the Twin Towers were hit. Then suddenly support our troops and thank you for service became a big deal. Now it's dying down again.

As a nation, we go to war on average every 20 years. It will come around again. Every generation complains about the last. The Vietnam Vets called us the Pepsi Generation Army. We held the line. The generation after us continued to hold the line, and so on
I agree to an extent, but there has been a BIG change since the generations that came before us. I get all of the AARs from the rotational units that come through JRTC. All of the general purpose units have failed miserably over the last three years; performing on par with National Guard units. Why is this? The command climate and policies in the DOD have driven out a substantial amount of the quality soldiers and leaders. The focus isn’t on winning wars or even competency in ones’s MOS, but on progressive ideology. My son that has been in for six years is getting out this summer. He just finished a rotation and they didn’t even draw MILES, they received a bunch of briefings on “equality” and sat around learning nothing for two weeks. //rant over//
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The generation after us continued to hold the line, and so on
Agree Chris, but my comments and opinion was based on the current state of affairs...woke military, recruitment way down, the brass more concerned with idealogy over military readiness and war fighting. It's my hope that you're right, and "when" the next call to war is issued, our young-un's do indeed rise to the occasion as in the past.

Personally, I'd glad and proud to be an American. I was not born here, came on a boat (ship actually), registered as an alien at the post office, my parents did it all correctly. It pains me when I see young Americans not the least bit proud, don't realize how fortunate they are to BE here, and could care less about the well being of our country, ignorant as to how its run, and take no pride whatsoever in being an American. You and your brethren know the value of being an American, as you, like me, served our country proudly, and I truly hope we're in the majority, but I fear we're not. The next ten years or so will reveal much.
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I've been out of touch with the current status of our troops so I do still hold on to what it was like when I was in. I guess can't imagine/accept our Military being weak.
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I agree to an extent, but there has been a BIG change since the generations that came before us. I get all of the AARs from the rotational units that come through JRTC. All of the general purpose units have failed miserably over the last three years; performing on par with National Guard units. Why is this? The command climate and policies in the DOD have driven out a substantial amount of the quality soldiers and leaders. The focus isn’t on winning wars or even competency in ones’s MOS, but on progressive ideology. My son that has been in for six years is getting out this summer. He just finished a rotation and they didn’t even draw MILES, they received a bunch of briefings on “equality” and sat around learning nothing for two weeks. //rant over//
Nailed it...had some brothers down range and it was called so they could watch " I have 2 mommies" or some such nonsense. Training has become different, it's all become equity, if you couldn't pass the runs, you were out, if you couldn't pass language, you were out...now everyone passes and the rely on group to weed em out....its the become the same in LE work also. Now they have classes on how to placate the new generation....LOL if I argued with an FTO I was placated with a with a punch in the head. LOL. Ok rant over....what were talking about???
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I agree to an extent, but there has been a BIG change since the generations that came before us. I get all of the AARs from the rotational units that come through JRTC. All of the general purpose units have failed miserably over the last three years; performing on par with National Guard units. Why is this? The command climate and policies in the DOD have driven out a substantial amount of the quality soldiers and leaders. The focus isn’t on winning wars or even competency in ones’s MOS, but on progressive ideology. My son that has been in for six years is getting out this summer. He just finished a rotation and they didn’t even draw MILES, they received a bunch of briefings on “equality” and sat around learning nothing for two weeks. //rant over//
Can confirm this. I work with and around this all day at least 5 days a week. These days I personally witness that most sit around and strategize and coach each other on what to claim at the VA to be medically discharged at 26-27 years old and get out of the voluntary career commitment they signed up for and get a continuous check. I asked a soon retiring W-3 “Would it be fair to say the military became an extension of the welfare system?” His reply. “It Absolutely is. I can’t get anyone to do anything anymore because of all the sensitivity training I have to take for it.”
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😆Our sensitivity training was "A walk in the woodline" or "Wall to wall counseling". A common theme was "That poor bastard fell in a foxhole when he went to take a leak last night."
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I've been out of touch with the current status of our troops so I do still hold on to what it was like when I was in. I guess can't imagine/accept our Military being weak.
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Don’t get me wrong, I know a lot of good soldiers still sticking it out on active duty. It’s not everyone, it’s mostly the policies and command climate. I still love my Army though!
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The thing that made our Military the best in the history of world was the mindset of our servicemen.
Honor, Integrity, dedication, and loyalty to the very values that make this nation the best in the history of mankind.

That has been under systematic attack.
During the scamdemic, and they purged large number at the service level who wouldn't blindly follow orders.
At the higher levels, the ones pulling strings are now either traitors (Miley, etc) or dress wearing mental defectives (Levine).

Don't think for a minute they won't roll on citizens if given the order by the CIC.
They are absolutely dumb enough to think they would actually win.
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A lot of that has to do with the force restructuring going on in the Army right now. During COIN operations in the last war, the Brigade Combat Team operated independently in theater. We are now transitioning back to “Near Peer Operations” and will deploy forces as a division again, like we did during the Cold War Era.
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