[PorscheVille]

I've been watching a DVD by Patrick Kilcherman about improving accuracy with a handgun. Good stuff. Pretty detailed about every aspect of stance, grip, sighting, etc. Mostly common sense, but one thing he said really made my ears perk up.

In discussing grip, he said you can A) Squeeze too tight which causes you to shake. B) Grip it perfectly (like me of course) which is 60% support hand 40% trigger hand or....C) Limp wrist it!

So, why is that interesting? He says that for your slide to recoil fully, it requires that the gun be held firm and stationary. In other words, if your gun moves backward at the same time as your slide, it won't fully rack.

Obviously, that isn't the only cause of all FTFs....but it could be a contributing factor. I just thought it was interesting.

(Let the "limp-wrist" jokes commence.)

 

[PorscheVille]

So has anyone heard that before? That not providing solid support when the slide cycles can cause a failure to feed?

 

[Chuck43]

I've not experienced it myself but I can see how it could happen.

 

[Ultraman]

So has anyone heard that before? That not providing solid support when the slide cycles can cause a failure to feed?

Of course. That and a bad round from time to time will cause FTF. Sometimes you never know which. Easier to blame the weapon

 

[Insta-Gator]

In the Glock world the only acceptable reason for a malfunction is "Limp wrist" shooter. The weapon is never blamed.

This usually turns out to be accurate.

 

[Mike240]

The Glock always allowed shooters with poor technique and lack of strength to run a semi auto. That is what made it so popular. It was very forgiving. But they also tended to be under sprung for their caliber. Glock shooters always claimed limp wristing was a falicy created by users of other guns to create an excuse for the gun. Along came the gen4 Glocks with a dual recoil system. Lots of problems. Those that got lazy by shooting Glocks now had issues due to lack of support for the slide to reciprocate.

If the frame is allowed to move a lot to the rear during recoil it detracts from the slide traveling rearward to the fullest. Depending on the gun this can result in a stoppage. Check out an old post I made about springs I think it explains it better though it is long.

 

[Insta-Gator]

Both my Glocks, G23 & G27, are Gen 4. I haven't had a single problem with either of them. You definitely have to hang on to that little G27, but I think it's fun. Actually makes me focus a little more on trigger finger and maintaining the depressed position until after recoil so I can utilize the reset.

 

[PorscheVille]

So, when I run across a Kimber hater....it's most likely he has a limp wrist. Hehe.

 

[Lineman]

Limp Wrist Shooter

A World Famous Limp Wrist Shooter!!!!

 

[Insta-Gator]

How do they do that?

 

[Gmountain]

Any auto can be limp wristed, or not held tight enough to cycle. I've seen it with pistols plenty of times. I've also seen it with auto shotguns, believe it or not.

 

[PorscheVille]

Any auto can be limp wristed, or not held tight enough to cycle. I've seen it with pistols plenty of times. I've also seen it with auto shotguns, believe it or not.

Good to know. I'm still learning but had never heard about that aspect of grip.

 

[PorscheVille]

How do they do that?

They started with a still image of him holding the rifle, outlined (cut out) Obummer in Photoshop to separate him from the background, separated his tiny arms and little girly wrists so they could be moved independently and then put the pieces plus guns into a video editing program. The muzzle blast and movement is added frame by frame. For such a short loop, that isn't that many frames. Piece of cake for any video editor.

 

[bigdog10]

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A World Famous Limp Wrist Shooter!!!!

Just like in the movies the prick never runs out of bullets...

 

[Lineman]

Just like in the movies the prick never runs out of bullets...

It's the Roy Rogers Signature Model pistol!! In all the years I watched Roy as a kid, I don't ever remember him reloading!! It must have been something about that white hat!!!

 

[Dude22]

I think Trigger reloaded for him off camera.

 

[Chuck43]

I think Trigger reloaded for him off camera.

It was his German Shepperd Bullet that was responsible for reloading Roy's guns, that's how he got his name.

 

[Oreste]

Yes, I have heard of this many times on many sites regarding the stability of the pistol and recoil. Also, videos on you-tube (including FTF with Glocks, very informative.)
It is all physics. And when the weapon is smaller and the rounds larger the physics becomes more noticeable and less forgiving. By the way the very few FTE and FTF I had with my Solo I knew something was wrong with my grip. The only time my Solo showed 50% FTE was when my 22 YO 110 lb daughter shot it for the first time admitting she was afraid of the recoil. Limped it, moved it etc.
Again, we cannot beat the laws of motion in physics. When shooting a pistol we have to remember we are a functioning part of the mechanics of that pistol.

 

[Insta-Gator]

Yes, I have heard of this many times on many sites regarding the stability of the pistol and recoil. Also, videos on you-tube (including FTF with Glocks, very informative.)
It is all physics. And when the weapon is smaller and the rounds larger the physics becomes more noticeable and less forgiving. By the way the very few FTE and FTF I had with my Solo I knew something was wrong with my grip. The only time my Solo showed 50% FTE was when my 22 YO 110 lb daughter shot it for the first time admitting she was afraid of the recoil. Limped it, moved it etc.
Again, we cannot beat the laws of motion in physics. When shooting a pistol we have to remember we are a functioning part of the mechanics of that pistol.

Well said.

 

[Ultraman]

Yes, I have heard of this many times on many sites regarding the stability of the pistol and recoil. Also, videos on you-tube (including FTF with Glocks, very informative.)
It is all physics. And when the weapon is smaller and the rounds larger the physics becomes more noticeable and less forgiving. By the way the very few FTE and FTF I had with my Solo I knew something was wrong with my grip. The only time my Solo showed 50% FTE was when my 22 YO 110 lb daughter shot it for the first time admitting she was afraid of the recoil. Limped it, moved it etc.
Again, we cannot beat the laws of motion in physics. When shooting a pistol we have to remember we are a functioning part of the mechanics of that pistol.

Indeed. Then there are some pistols that go bang all 8 or 9 times no matter what my posture is. Those are the ones I carry.