[Chuck43]

 

[bad ninja]

G&G isn't paying attention.
They left has openly explained this over and over. It just gets ignored.
When they jack property taxes so high we start losing our homes (they want to end single family housing), they are gonna need it to seize our land.
DHS did the same thing a few years back.

It's pretty obvious the government is preparing for something.

 

[DungFu]

A husband of a former co-worker was an IRS agent in DC. He told me they sometimes send in armed IRS agents when they do a property seizure for non-payment. According to this source, a lot of tax cheats and refuseniks barricade and threaten to shoot the IRS. Imagine that.

Property tax in every state I've lived in is handled at the county level. The IRS not involved in collecting property tax. I have no problem with paying Federal taxes. It's what they do with the money that bugs me. State and local taxes even in blue states are out of control.

On the subject of property tax: In 2005, I bought a condo near my elderly parents in Chicago so I would have my own place to stay when I visited them. Brand new. Within a year after closing the county 're-assessed' and doubled my property taxes. The City added a piggyback tax on top of that. Not believing my eyes when I got the bill, I spoke to the County Comptroller personally. She politely told me this happens all the time with new homes. My taxes went from $3200 a year to $7800. Close to eight grand. You gotta have rocks in your head to pay that extortion.

I listed and sold the place immediately at a very modest profit. Only slightly better than breaking even after factoring in the recent costs of the initial sale, points, and other closing costs only a year before. Also the sales commission I had to pay an agent to get rid of it. Turned out to be a stroke of luck because the real estate market collapsed in 2007 and the new buyer found himself upside down on his mortgage but still had to pay the huge tax bill.

Call me lucky. And I didn't have to shoot anybody.

 

[bad ninja]

The government used to be 100% funded by tariffs.
We used to tax other countries when they wanted to do business here.
Now the government taxes it's own citizens, and refuses to tax countries that want to sell shit here.
Other countries still tax the shit out of is if we want to do business abroad.
That's corruption at work folks.
We have the largest economy in the planet.
There is zero reason to tax the citizens.

 

[DungFu]

I'd be thrilled if I didn't have to pay taxes, but pretty much everywhere in the civilized world citizens pay. Some economists argue that tariffs negatively impact trade and the concept of free markets. Economics was not my field of study but history shows us that when fascists and socialist regimes in the 20th century circled the wagons and either nationalized all industry or rejected the concept of free markets and international trade, it worked great for a while but collapsed.

I agree the system is crooked but the IRS isn't responsible. They just collect the money. They don't make laws or do trade deals. The reason the US lost so much of its manufacturing was the result of greed and short-term gains. It was American corporations that sold out. And the politicians they have in their pocket.

This could easily turn into a long discussion that has nothing to do with firearms. Maybe there's a TaxTalk forum?

 

[Chuck43]

This could easily turn into a long discussion that has nothing to do with firearms. Maybe there's a TaxTalk forum?

I've always wondered how a flat tax with zero deductions would work, 95 percent of the IRS could be let go, you're in the "Off Topic" sub forum, just start the thread.

 

[DungFu]

Back on topic.

The IRS supposedly spent $700k on ammo. What are we talking.... about 3 million rounds? It's estimated there are 2000 IRS agents involved with criminal investigations who are armed. That's not a lot of ammo per agent when you consider they have to undergo firearms training. I've shot that much myself on a weekend now and then.

 

[bad ninja]

Back on topic.

The IRS supposedly spent $700k on ammo. What are we talking.... about 3 million rounds? It's estimated there are 2000 IRS agents involved with criminal investigations who are armed. That's not a lot of ammo per agent when you consider they have to undergo firearms training. I've shot that much myself on a weekend now and then.

Armed tax agents?
Let that sink in.
Why would they need armed tax agents?
Who exactly are they planning on using that ammo on?

The IRS hasn't used or needed armed agents in over half a century.
That's the job of local and state law enforcement.
If that ammo went to state or local LEOs, I would applaud it.

If your bullshit meter isn't moving it may be broken.

 

[DungFu]

DungFu: I'll take Law Enforcement for $300, Mr. Trebek

Alex: Very well. And the answer is...

Federal agency that investigates tax evasion and related financial crimes.

DungFu: Who is the IRS Criminal Investigation Unit?

Alex: Correct DungFu. The IRS has had its own armed field agents for over 100 years.

 

[bad ninja]

DungFu: I'll take Law Enforcement for $300, Mr. Trebek

Alex: Very well. And the answer is...

Federal agency that investigates tax evasion and related financial crimes.

DungFu: Who is the IRS Criminal Investigation Unit?

Alex: Correct DungFu. The IRS has had its own armed field agents for over 100 years.

Show me the last time an IRS agent used a weapon after about 1970.
I'll wait.

My great great uncle was an IRS agent that was tasked with shutting down illegal moonshine stills, back when the IRS was tasked with such things.
The actual armed enforcement was county Deputies, led by the elected Sheriff.
The IRS agent were required to utilize local LEO.
IRS agents didn't "bust" stills like in the movies. They provided investigative evidence so the local LEO could respond and execute the arrests.

 

[DungFu]

I'm pretty sure nobody publishes that data. Other than there are approximately 3000 arrests annually.

The IRS CI are involved with Legal Source Tax Crimes (basically tax cheaters that probably don't involve violence); Illegal Source Financial Crimes (All types of fraud and tax evasion, such as illegal gambling or casinos or currency crimes); and Narcotics Related and Counterterrorism Financial Crimes (money laundering or financing of terrorist activity).

The ATF is mainly responsible for enforcing illegal stills now. It's been a long time since the Treasury "T men" and also US Marshalls chased after moonshiners and bootleggers. Now moonshiners have their own reality TV shows. As I'm sure you know, Treasury Agents (now the mainly IRS) are about making sure Uncle Sam gets his money. Some of them are very organized criminal organizations with weapons.

One might ask why the FBI doesn't handle arresting tax cheats and the like. You need a time machine to go back and ask J Edgar Hoover that question.

State and local law enforcement are generally not qualified or staffed to investigate financial crimes. They bring in Feds for that.

More broadly, lots of Federal government agencies have agents that carry arms. The Fish and Wildlife Service, Bureau of Land Management and Park Service, the EPA, Postal Inspectors, Federal Reserve agents, NOAA, NIH, and even the Library of Congress have armed groups. There are many more. Nothing new about any of that. Some may find it interesting that in many states railroad bulls (cops) are often armed and have arrest authority and can arrest without a warrant.

The NC Wildlife gal in my area who checks people for fishing licenses has a Glock strapped to her duty belt. I'm fine with that. She noticed the shotgun racked to the center console on my skiff and thought it was cool.

My Godfather was an FBI agent. After graduating from the Academy at Quantico he was not involved in any activity involving firearms during his entire 25 years.

Fun fact: It wasn't until 1934 that FBI agents were given authority to carry firearms.

 

[bad ninja]

I'm pretty sure nobody publishes that data. Other than there are approximately 3000 arrests annually.

The IRS CI are involved with Legal Source Tax Crimes (basically tax cheaters that probably don't involve violence); Illegal Source Financial Crimes (All types of fraud and tax evasion, such as illegal gambling or casinos or currency crimes); and Narcotics Related and Counterterrorism Financial Crimes (money laundering or financing of terrorist activity).

The ATF is mainly responsible for enforcing illegal stills now. It's been a long time since the Treasury "T men" and also US Marshalls chased after moonshiners and bootleggers. Now moonshiners have their own reality TV shows. As I'm sure you know, Treasury Agents (now the mainly IRS) are about making sure Uncle Sam gets his money. Some of them are very organized criminal organizations with weapons.

One might ask why the FBI doesn't handle arresting tax cheats and the like. You need a time machine to go back and ask J Edgar Hoover that question.

State and local law enforcement are generally not qualified or staffed to investigate financial crimes. They bring in Feds for that.

More broadly, lots of Federal government agencies have agents that carry arms. The Fish and Wildlife Service, Bureau of Land Management and Park Service, the EPA, Postal Inspectors, Federal Reserve agents, NOAA, NIH, and even the Library of Congress have armed groups. There are many more. Nothing new about any of that. Some may find it interesting that in many states railroad bulls (cops) are often armed and have arrest authority and can arrest without a warrant.

The NC Wildlife gal in my area who checks people for fishing licenses has a Glock strapped to her duty belt. I'm fine with that. She noticed the shotgun racked to the center console on my skiff and thought it was cool.

My Godfather was an FBI agent. After graduating from the Academy at Quantico he was not involved in any activity involving firearms during his entire 25 years.

Fun fact: It wasn't until 1934 that FBI agents were given authority to carry firearms.

They were given the authority to carry right after prohibition ended, to arrest illegal alcohol production as it evaded tax.
We have other federal departments that handle that now, so we don't need heavily armed, untrained tax accountants.

There are no legit reason for a tactical IRS agent. They don't do armed raids, or shootouts with white collar tax criminals.
That's just rediculous.

The feds handle prosecution for financial crimes.
The armed raids are done by local LEO, with Feds on scene to preserve evidence for court, and chain of custody.


Though after a few cups of coffee, I think this is just the Feds buying up overrun ammo from the Lake City plant, because Joe Biden just announced he doesn't want the ammo sold to the public any longer.
He thinks M855 green tip is some sort of special super duper ammo, and he wants us disarmed.
Lake City is just the only ammo plant he can bully.

 

[DungFu]

Seems to me that was tried once before and failed. But I don't doubt some mutton-head in the Biden Administration is championing the idea of making ammo hard to get.

Unlike many other calibers, 5.56 / .223 ammo seems uniquely plentiful right now. I'm getting emails every day about sales of AR ammo.

For the past couple of years, I have cut back on how much ammo I consume. I use enough to do my drills and not get rusty. I started shooting my bolt actions a lot more often, focusing more on long-range precision shooting than slinging lead.