Guys, new to the forum and this looks like a great place to meet other Kimber owners and share information. I have a Kimber Micro 9 and I think there is something wrong with the safety or the sear. If I put the hammer at full cock, the safety works like a champ, however, if I put the hammer up in the half-cock position and the safety is engaged, I can pull the trigger and the hammer slams home. I haven't taken it to the range and tried checking to see if it fires but it sure appears there is enough force to make the gun go bang. I have a Sig P238 and it doesn't release the hammer from the half-cock position. Should my Micro be doing this? Seems like a huge safety problem. Thanks for any help with this.
Micro 9 Safety Concern
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And why would you ever go off HALF-COCKED?
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The half cock is not a safety position. It's there to catch the hammer should it slip as you cock it so you don't get an AD. Do not attempt to carry it half cocked. The manual is pretty clear.
Welcome to KT! Hope you enjoy your Micro 9!
Welcome to KT! Hope you enjoy your Micro 9!
Oh, I'm have no plans to carrying it in the half cock position, never said I was. But thanks for pointing that out for anyone else that may see this post.
My concern is that the safety isn't working properly. Does anyone else have a Micro that allows you to pull the trigger at the half cock position?
My concern is that the safety isn't working properly. Does anyone else have a Micro that allows you to pull the trigger at the half cock position?
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Same here - the hammer will fall from safety notch with safety engaged when I press the trigger.
Nothing to be alarmed about, the thumb safety is designed to secure the hammer in the fully cocked position, not in the half cock.
Under normal circumstances, the hammer should not ever come to contact with the safety half cock notch, so many people (me included) would probably never find out about this.
Nothing to be alarmed about, the thumb safety is designed to secure the hammer in the fully cocked position, not in the half cock.
Under normal circumstances, the hammer should not ever come to contact with the safety half cock notch, so many people (me included) would probably never find out about this.
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had the same concern. i stuck a round in and tried to get it to blow but got nothing...but i agree it is screwy
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The Hammer Safety Stop:
The hammer safety stop is a notch on the hammer which prevents it from falling fully forward in the event of primary sear notch failure. It also prevents fingers slip from the slide or hammer while cocking the pistol, provided the hammer has been moved past the stop. The safety stop is not a manual safety! Do not under any circumstances use the safety stop as a "half cock" position. This misuse can result in damage to the sear, and/or unintentional discharge of the pistol. The safety stop position is an automatically engaging safety feature and should never be engaged by hand!
The hammer safety stop is a notch on the hammer which prevents it from falling fully forward in the event of primary sear notch failure. It also prevents fingers slip from the slide or hammer while cocking the pistol, provided the hammer has been moved past the stop. The safety stop is not a manual safety! Do not under any circumstances use the safety stop as a "half cock" position. This misuse can result in damage to the sear, and/or unintentional discharge of the pistol. The safety stop position is an automatically engaging safety feature and should never be engaged by hand!
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It put a round into my arm and hit my undersided watch, had surgery, bad design. Bad painful wound, 9 months later still nerve damage and more surgery.
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Sorry about your painful and probably expensive mishap, but had you read the manual and practiced good/safe gun handling practices, your accident would never have happened. If memory serves, you directly violated at least two of the baisc safe gun commandments, one of which is "never point the gun at anything you're not willing to destroy".
It reminds me of our old DI in boot camp...."Your gotta be smarter than your weapon".
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Ouch! That's tragic. Maybe you could share that story so others could learn from it.
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No, sir. It's not a bad design. It's willful violation of proper gun handling protocols on a multitude of levels.
The half-cock notch goes back hundreds of years and was formerly used during loading. On a modern firearm, its only purpose is for safety--for those times when you've failed so miserably that you allowed the hammer to fall in an uncontrolled manner. Interestingly, early half-cock notches were hooked, which would capture the sear. The downside was that the hook could break, or sometimes the sear wouldn't fall into the notch when the hammer was dropped. 1911 design was upgraded to a "shelf" which would more reliably catch the hammer if it was inadvertently dropped. The "Mustang-Style" pistols, of which the Micro is one, have always had a flat shelf for the half-cock.
Bottom line?
Learn how the gun works.
Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
Keep your booger hook off the trigger until you're ready to fire.
Tip:
NEVER lower a hammer with one hand. I'm sure we can all do it one handed all day long without mishap. But I ALWAYS place my non-dominant hand over the top of the gun with my thumb under the hammer. If the dominant thumb slips, the hammer will land on my non-dominant thumb, preventing an unintentional discharge.
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