I just shot my first 1911 and I loved it. Amazing accuracy and control with the full size model. Would I expect to gave the same accuracy and control with the short barrel models, master pro carry etc?
Jd, I think that the accuracy is going to be dependent on your own personal shooting ability. If you are an below average to average shooter, I do not think you are going to see to much difference in terms of accuracy. Control... I think the same. Most folks do not really understand what it means to really control a weapon. Since I do not know you, and have never shot with you, maybe you do?
With that said, if you have ever shot competition, took training seminars, have shot at a higher level, and understand most of this stuff, I would say yes, the control and accuracy of a 5" pistol is clearly there.
Welcome to the 1911 side of the street. Playschool plastic's for kids. Sorry guys...
Shorter the barrel, the less accurate your shot placement. Think of it like a rifle. A longer barrel gets your projectile more accurately on target. Now if you're looking to CCW, then you'd want a smaller (4.5" or less) gun. If you're getting one for 'fun', then get a full sized with rails, so you can accessorize. The bigger, physically, the gun, the less recoil felt in 45 and under cal's. A 50 cal Desert Eagle isn't too much bigger than a full sized 1911 45, but it has a hell of a kick. Hope this helps a little.
^I disagree with this to an extent. First, I personally do not think that .5" is very noticeable on a carry pistol. Seriously hold up a 4.5" M&P (or whatever) to your 5" 1911... its very minimal. When I was carrying a 1911, I ONLY carried a 5" pistol. Never any issues concealing it, never any problems with it getting snagged up.
The second thing is... a DE? That pistol is FAR bigger than a 5" 1911. Sorry it just is, The weight, size, all around.
I would NEVER carry a DE or own one (what a piece of shit that thing is, lol). When I was carrying my 1911's they were all 5" guns.
Welcome to the forum from Northern Illinois Jdcassick. I would say the 1" difference between the full 5" and pro 4" size pistols isn't going to make much difference. It wasn't until I started shooting an ultra 3" that I noticed the difference.
^^^Agree with this...
I'm going to get flamed. In my opinion, any quality weapon can outshoot the average shooter. That means, the 3 inch 45 Kimber is every bit as good as you make it to be. General rules of sight alignment, (length of barrel) aside, within normal handgun distances, the average shooter isn't going to notice a severe difference.
And welcome to the group!!
I used to shoot a 7 inch Longslide competitively. It was not my first .45 fired but it was the first .45 I owned. There was very minor differences between that 7 inch barrel and my friends 5 inch standard. For what it's worth, I wasn't any more, or less, accurate with that 7 inch barrel than I was with my Browning HP and it's standard 5 inch barrel or his 5 inch .45. Of course, the Browning was a 9mm.
All that said, the recoil experienced is controllable by the recoil springs. A heavier spring will reduce the felt recoil and a lighter spring will increase the felt recoil. The problems arise when the change in recoil spring strength creates issues with feed, ejection and most important, frame/slide condition. Too heavy on the spring tension and damage will result to either the frame or slide, or both. Too light and the gun may not completely eject spent rounds or go into full battery.
You could order a set of springs one pound heavier and one pound lighter than your gun came with, (Kimber probably has them for other models). Try the new springs one at a time and see if you like the change and the change likes your gun. You could also order sets from Wolfe Springs, but they would not be Kimber original.
Let me start by saying this is not a bash on you or your thoughts. Second, Ill say this.. a 7" slide may start feeling heavy and large and that has affected you.
In saying that, I can personally attest that my 6" slide radius will 100% out shoot my 5" slide radius as long as all the other things are equal (type of pistol, bullets, etc). You cant seriously compare a 9mm and a .45 as the recoil is just not the same. You also can not tell me that changing the springs on a pistol will make up the difference of the extra length of sight alignment. I am not sure why this was even posted under this question but since it was, ill try to explain what I mean...
First, imagine the front & rear sight being one inch apart - if you're off by 0.01", that's twelve MOA more than if the sights are 12 inches apart, and you're off by 0.01" - the longer sight radius enhances that precision.
Think about how a one inch group at 100 yds opens up to two inches at 200 yds. A one inch group at 200 is more precise than a two inch group, right? So look at it backwards. (I am using 100 yards to make the math simple, not because anyone is shooting 100 yards)
Extreme example: Say the front sight and the rear sight are only 2" apart. When you are aiming that setup, the sights will look aligned (and perfectly still) even if they are off by a couple thousands of an inch. Now take a handgun with a 10" sight radius. Those sights will never look still. And even if it looked like the sights were misaligned by .001" when the shot broke, that will still be 5 times more accurate that the 2" sight radius, that looked perfectly aligned even though they were off by a few thousands.