[Dan03833]

So, the Communist State of RI just banned magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Within 180 days they need to be removed from the state, turned over to the proper authorities or modified. 10 round mags don't exist, any ideas on modifying to accept 10 or fewer rounds?

 

[DungFu]

Magazines? What magazines?

Or... You could urn them in and take the money if any is offered. Or put them in your safe deposit box and wait for this to be challenged in the courts. I deplore regulation but anything more than 8 rounds is a fairly recent thing. For almost a century, six-shooters were all people had. As a civilian, and from a practical sense, if you need more than ten rounds you are outgunned and should take cover or leave the area.

In the short term, support conservative representatives and carry a spare mag. That's 20 rounds. If that's not enough I wonder WTF is going on in Rhode Island. Did the aging patricians, hippies and old money hoi oligoi abdicate to street gangs?

 

[bad ninja]

 

[PaulR]

So, the Communist State of RI just banned magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Within 180 days they need to be removed from the state, turned over to the proper authorities or modified. 10 round mags don't exist, any ideas on modifying to accept 10 or fewer rounds?

Move to Fl. No limit here. We have a great governor.

 

[Dan03833]

Thanks guys.

I guess I should valve been more clear. I've had my Mako about a month. Ordered an extra 13 round mag. 10 round mags don't exist for the Mako. How does one go about modifying the existing mags?

I doubt this ban will stick considering California's didn't. Just trying to think ahead.

 

[Dan03833]

Move to Fl. No limit here. We have a great governor.

Yes you do! I hope he runs in '24

 

[PaulR]

Yes you do! I hope he runs in '24

Desantis is trying to get his bill passed for constitutional open carry. Time will tell..

 

[DungFu]

I suppose that the ultimate solution if the law sticks is going to be something like a bigger, longer follower. On your own, unless you have some mechanical design skills and maybe 3d printer, it's beyond your ability (and most others) to make this.

If you genuinely fear prosecution or search and seizure (which isn't going to happen), I was serious when I suggested put the 13 rounder in your safe deposit box until this madness ends. Use the flush mag but don't put that 11th round in it. If someone asks, it's a ten-round magazine as far as you know. Nobody is going to get busted for an 11 round mag. Unless of course you shoot somebody who didn't deserve it and have the bad luck of encountering a gun hating prosecutor. Which is likely in RI.

I do believe that when it's all said and done, gun makers are going to include ten-round mags and that's all you get. The Gov't is going to pressure them to do that.

Allow me to wax on this subject of pistol capacity because I am fascinated by gun marketing bullshit.

First, I'm perfectly comfortable with ten rounds in a conceal carry pistol. Or eight. I only need one round. Maybe two. I spent years, shot a gazillion rounds and a lot of money on trianing for that.

When the gunmakers all started to play leapfrog on the capacity of micro 9mm's, they did this because it was only the only real differentiator in that category. How many rounds they could stuff into a small frame became a selling point. It's all marketing. A LEO or military personnel need large-capacity pistols for obvious reasons. Micro 9's and other EDCs are not duty weapons.

Civilians carry pistols for personal self-defense. Why does Average Joe need a 13-round mag in his EDC? The answer is he doesn't. But the gun marketers have convinced him he does. Just in case he suddenly find himself in the midst of a gang war and needs to take down five bad guys? Even so, if Joe knows how to shoot a pistol and has invested in training that's ten rounds. Five if he's good. If Joe carrys a second ten-round mag, he can take down an entire squad of bad guys in a dark alley. Anybody know how often that happens? Answer: Never.

Anyway, dont sweat it brother. Park your 13 round Mako mag someplace until the proverbial smoke clears.

 

[bad ninja]

I suppose that the ultimate solution if the law sticks is going to be something like a bigger, longer follower. On your own, unless you have some mechanical design skills and maybe 3d printer, it's beyond your ability (and most others) to make this.

If you genuinely fear prosecution or search and seizure (which isn't going to happen), I was serious when I suggested put the 13 rounder in your safe deposit box until this madness ends. Use the flush mag but don't put that 11th round in it. If someone asks, it's a ten-round magazine as far as you know. Nobody is going to get busted for an 11 round mag. Unless of course you shoot somebody who didn't deserve it and have the bad luck of encountering a gun hating prosecutor. Which is likely in RI.

I do believe that when it's all said and done, gun makers are going to include ten-round mags and that's all you get. The Gov't is going to pressure them to do that.

Allow me to wax on this subject of pistol capacity because I am fascinated by gun marketing bullshit.

First, I'm perfectly comfortable with ten rounds in a conceal carry pistol. Or eight. I only need one round. Maybe two. I spent years, shot a gazillion rounds and a lot of money on trianing for that.

When the gunmakers all started to play leapfrog on the capacity of micro 9mm's, they did this because it was only the only real differentiator in that category. How many rounds they could stuff into a small frame became a selling point. It's all marketing. A LEO or military personnel need large-capacity pistols for obvious reasons. Micro 9's and other EDCs are not duty weapons.

Civilians carry pistols for personal self-defense. Why does Average Joe need a 13-round mag in his EDC? The answer is he doesn't. But the gun marketers have convinced him he does. Just in case he suddenly find himself in the midst of a gang war and needs to take down five bad guys? Even so, if Joe knows how to shoot a pistol and has invested in training that's ten rounds. Five if he's good. If Joe carrys a second ten-round mag, he can take down an entire squad of bad guys in a dark alley. Anybody know how often that happens? Answer: Never.

Anyway, dont sweat it brother. Park your 13 round Mako mag someplace until the proverbial smoke clears.

If you download the 11 round mags, you lose the extra round, but still get the charge.
That's just doubling down on dumb.
If that's your plan, just carry the 13 rounder.
Same charge.

I would just move.

 

[DungFu]

The chances of being charged for using the 11 round mag is the same as being killed by a falling coconut on a beach in the Arctic Circle.

Law focuses largely on intent. Choosing 13 vs 11 suggests you intentionally ignored the law. Which would be true. The 11 rounder with ten rounds is the only choice you have for exercising your right to bear arms. Because it is the only option for the firearm you own. Which story sounds better to a judge? You decide.

There are a lot of people in jail or became hopelessly broke because they disagreed with a law and chose to go down swinging. Example: tax evasion. Don’t be an idiot. Being outwardly obstinate is reckless and indicates disregard for the law. That’s means guilty. Every time. It’s how the system works.

It’s best to make the effort to comply. If you can’t abide, move as others have stated. Or get involved in the political process. Not enough gun owners do that.

Side note: I have family in Providence. My grandfather's brothers settled there. My cousins love RI and every one of them is liberal. Must be something in the water.

Again, good luck.

 

[bad ninja]

The chances of being charged for using the 11 round mag is the same as being killed by a falling coconut on a beach in the Arctic Circle.

Law focuses largely on intent. Choosing 13 vs 11 suggests you intentionally ignored the law. Which would be true. The 11 rounder with ten rounds is the only choice you have for exercising your right to bear arms. Because it is the only option for the firearm you own. Which story sounds better to a judge? You decide.

There are a lot of people in jail or became hopelessly broke because they disagreed with a law and chose to go down swinging. Example: tax evasion. Don’t be an idiot. Being outwardly obstinate is reckless and indicates disregard for the law. That’s means guilty. Every time. It’s how the system works.

It’s best to make the effort to comply. If you can’t abide, move as others have stated. Or get involved in the political process. Not enough gun owners do that.

Side note: I have family in Providence. My grandfather's brothers settled there. My cousins love RI and every one of them is liberal. Must be something in the water.

Again, good luck.

You didn't read the bill did you?
The proposed law makes possession a felony.

They will charge your ass if you get caught, and you will lose your gun rights.

That's why I advised moving.
Fuck all that.


Dung, don't you have to ask permission to even buy a gun in your state?
You should move too, brother.

 

[DungFu]

You didn't read the bill did you?
The proposed law makes possession a felony.

They will charge your ass if you get caught, and you will lose your gun rights.

That's why I advised moving.
Fuck all that.

Dung, don't you have to ask permission to even buy a gun in your state?
You should move too, brother.

Rendering his Mako useless because there is no 10-round solution is a clear infringement of the 2A. It stands no chance of prosecution if the owner made a reasonable effort to comply. This particular case is an excellent challenge to this new law in RI. The law as it stands is going to be challenged and rewritten. Guaranteed. Just like it was in Delaware. This is all political theatre. Like I said, best to make an effort to comply as I described and wait it out.

In the long term, my money is on states prohibiting a new civilian firearm from utilizing mags with more than 10 rounds. If any of the crazy new gun laws survive, I believe that will likely be one that passes. But it will have to grandfather some existing guns and mags. Perhaps make it illegal to transfer them to someone else. I don't like any kind of regs and they are near impossible to enforce, but there are going to be some new rules like it or not. Sorry, man. The Peachtree State will be no exception. That is what happens because Bubba and Bubbette don't vote and Atlantans head to the polls in chartered busses with a free box lunch, courtesy of the DNC.

I have a concealed carry permit in NC and can buy whatever non-NFA restricted firearm I want whenever I want. Unencumbered by approvals.

NC is a shall-issue state but has had a law on the books for over 100 years that requires citizens with no permit to submit a gun purchase to his/her local sheriff for approval. Handguns only. It costs a few bucks for each handgun. You can submit multiple forms at the same time. It's a pointless, outdated law and nobody likes it including the Sheriffs. But our liberal Governor, elected by transplanted Yankees in Raliegh-Durham has ambitions of going to Washington. He has vetoed the repeal of that law twice.

NC also requires a mental health records check before issuing a carry permit or allowing a handgun purchase. Even super-liberal Washington State did not require that when I lived there. In the past, I held several variants of Federal security clearance including NRC L. That twice involved psych tests, so I have documents that state I am not crazy. I don't care if the state of NC wants to check and see if I am nuts. I have documents that say I'm not.

 

[bad ninja]

Rendering his Mako useless because there is no 10-round solution is a clear infringement of the 2A. It stands no chance of prosecution if the owner made a reasonable effort to comply. This particular case is an excellent challenge to this new law in RI. The law as it stands is going to be challenged and rewritten. Guaranteed. Just like it was in Delaware. This is all political theatre. Like I said, best to make an effort to comply as I described and wait it out.

In the long term, my money is on states prohibiting a new civilian firearm from utilizing mags with more than 10 rounds. If any of the crazy new gun laws survive, I believe that will likely be one that passes. But it will have to grandfather some existing guns and mags. Perhaps make it illegal to transfer them to someone else. I don't like any kind of regs and they are near impossible to enforce, but there are going to be some new rules like it or not. Sorry, man. The Peachtree State will be no exception. That is what happens because Bubba and Bubbette don't vote and Atlantans head to the polls in chartered busses with a free box lunch, courtesy of the DNC.

I have a concealed carry permit in NC and can buy whatever non-NFA restricted firearm I want whenever I want. Unencumbered by approvals.

NC is a shall-issue state but has had a law on the books for over 100 years that requires citizens with no permit to submit a gun purchase to his/her local sheriff for approval. Handguns only. It costs a few bucks for each handgun. You can submit multiple forms at the same time. It's a pointless, outdated law and nobody likes it including the Sheriffs. But our liberal Governor, elected by transplanted Yankees in Raliegh-Durham has ambitions of going to Washington. He has vetoed the repeal of that law twice.

NC also requires a mental health records check before issuing a carry permit or allowing a handgun purchase. Even super-liberal Washington State did not require that when I lived there. In the past, I held several variants of Federal security clearance including NRC L. That twice involved psych tests, so I have documents that state I am not crazy. I don't care if the state of NC wants to check and see if I am nuts. I have documents that say I'm not.

Sorry bub.
GA isn't NC.
Atlanta doesn't rule GA.
Our gun laws are better than Florida.
We have legal private sales, no mag restrictions, no nanny state supervision, no waiting periods, no ban list, no FFL NICS check with a CCW, and constitutional permitless carry.
You don't need to ask permission here to excercise your rights.
If you have lived here 30 days, can pass a simple NICS and you have $75, you can get a GA CCW that reciprocates with other freedom minded states.
With a CCW it takes longer to run your credit card than to buy a gun from a FFL here.

We also can own liquor stores here.

You should come down and try out some freedom, we have lots to spare.

 

[DungFu]

Sorry bub.
GA isn't NC.
Atlanta doesn't rule GA.
Our gun laws are better than Florida.
We have legal private sales, no mag restrictions, no nanny state supervision, no waiting periods, no ban list, no FFL NICS check with a CCW, and constitutional permitless carry.
You don't need to ask permission here to excercise your rights.
If you have lived here 30 days, can pass a simple NICS and you have $75, you can get a GA CCW that reciprocates with other freedom minded states.
With a CCW it takes longer to run your credit card than to buy a gun from a FFL here.

We also can own liquor stores here.

You should come down and try out some freedom, we have lots to spare.

I lived in Atlanta GA for six years. Also had a CC permit for five or so. Only because I was too lazy to change my DL and kept my WA permit for the first 6 months.

When I moved from WA with two new cars, the State of GA nicked me for $5500 Ad Valorem tax. I paid the taxes on those cars in WA. I lived in six states in my life and never heard of an Ad Valorem tax on cars. I was f-ing livid that this was not disclosed to me by the relo person who managed my move.

I'm not a fan of state stores for liquor but WA was the same. My only beef in NC is the nearest one is 20 miles away.

There are no NICS checks in NC if you have a permit.
Open carry is legal without a permit.
Reciprocity with most states on permits. There are some limitations. None of them is an issue for me.
NC denies mental defectives. You know where I stand on that.

Ossoff (Georgia's own Beto) and Abrams came very close to winning in GA. Way too close. Kemp is not exactly the darling of Georgia conservatives as I'm sure you know. There's been a mini-boom of tech companies in Atlanta for the past 5 years and that's attracting a lot of young liberals. Just as it did in Austin. Enjoy it while you can. Here come the new wave of Yankees. Again. Just like the 80's.

NC on the other hand is suffering a different but similar problem. Aging boomers have been retiring here in great numbers for years and bringing their New England and Mid-Atlantic liberal politics with them. The good news is they aren't going to live another 40-50 years like the young professionals moving to GA.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/nc-gun-laws/#recStates

 

[bad ninja]

In another thread you supported removing gun rights from felons.

In this thread you advised the OP to commit a felony, which will cost him his gun rights, if convicted, and his gun budget if he isn't.

I'm still not sure where you stand on God given rights.

 

[DungFu]

In another thread you supported removing gun rights from felons.

In this thread, you advised the OP to commit a felony, which will cost him his gun rights, if convicted, and his gun budget if he isn't.

I'm still not sure where you stand on God given rights.

Fearmongering nonsense.

A felony record requires first that one is charged and convicted. The most rabid liberal gun-grabbing ADA in Rhode Island looking to make a name for him or herself would not be stupid enough to base a prosecution on a citizen with no criminal record over an 11 vs. 10-round pistol magazine, based on a law that in other states has been successfully challenged or revised by the lawmakers who tried it. Why? Because that case would be dismissed. Even more ridiculous is the possibility of law enforcement knocking on doors and asking where the 13-round magazines are being hidden.

I don't think you understand how the legal system works or what it takes to actually bring someone up on charges like this. Who would lead the investigation and enforcement? What would the probable cause be for investigating someone? There's a difference between the letter and the spirit of the law. It begins with being able to prove criminal intent. The world is not black and white. Neither is the law. As much as some people are inclined to want it to be.

I'll say it again. 180 days from now Rhode Island will do what Delaware did. Because the law as written is unworkable. Read it. So... everybody who is experiencing anxiety over this matter can now unpucker their o-ring and stop shit-stirring until that deadline. Delaware did the same thing then changed it to 17 rounds

BTW: The RI House and Senate ignored the Judiciary committee rejecting the magazine bill. Went around them instead, basically circumventing parliamentary procedure to jam this bill thru. For that reason alone, the magazine bill is going to be challenged. The governor hasn't signed anything yet.

Gun purchases in RI doubled from 2019 to 2021. A lot of those guns came with magazines that hold more than ten rounds. .

 

[bad ninja]

Fearmongering nonsense.

A felony record requires first that one is charged and convicted. The most rabid liberal gun-grabbing ADA in Rhode Island looking to make a name for him or herself would not be stupid enough to base a prosecution on a citizen with no criminal record over an 11 vs. 10-round pistol magazine, based on a law that in other states has been successfully challenged or revised by the lawmakers who tried it. Why? Because that case would be dismissed. Even more ridiculous is the possibility of law enforcement knocking on doors and asking where the 13-round magazines are being hidden.

I don't think you understand how the legal system works or what it takes to actually bring someone up on charges like this. Who would lead the investigation and enforcement? What would the probable cause be for investigating someone? There's a difference between the letter and the spirit of the law. It begins with being able to prove criminal intent. The world is not black and white. Neither is the law. As much as some people are inclined to want it to be.

I'll say it again. 180 days from now Rhode Island will do what Delaware did. Because the law as written is unworkable. Read it. So... everybody who is experiencing anxiety over this matter can now unpucker their o-ring and stop shit-stirring until that deadline. Delaware did the same thing then changed it to 17 rounds

BTW: The RI House and Senate ignored the Judiciary committee rejecting the magazine bill. Went around them instead, basically circumventing parliamentary procedure to jam this bill thru. For that reason alone, the magazine bill is going to be challenged. The governor hasn't signed anything yet.

Gun purchases in RI doubled from 2019 to 2021. A lot of those guns came with magazines that hold more than ten rounds. .

Oh you sweet summer child.
Bless your heart.
No judge gives a shit what came with your gun.

You honestly believe a judge in a blue state won't follow the law and hang a felony on someone over "high capacity" magazine, after a shooting?

Don't be naive.

 

[1SgtDavo]

The mako mags say ten only on them…


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[DungFu]

The mako mags say ten only on them…


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True. Like I said... this is all a tempest in a teapot for the OP and his Mako. He's not going to get into trouble.

Any restriction on mag capacity that makes it into law and sticks is a minor thing with pistols. And so what if you can only have ten rounds in a pistol mag. Carry two mags. Many do anyway. 1911's and their derivatives are obviously unaffected.

Where this is going to be a shit show is rifle/carbine mags. Nor is that the subject of this thread. There are so many of them out there. 20-30-40-50 rounds as we all know. States who try to get that cow back in the barn are going to face a lot of resistance and legal challenges. This is going to rage on for a while.

I don't think AR and AK owners will turn in their mags. Nobody has 10 round mags anymore unless it's for a box mag bolt action rifle. We'll see how this goes. Especially in how it impacts the Nov election.

 

[bad ninja]

True. Like I said... this is all a tempest in a teapot for the OP and his Mako. He's not going to get into trouble.

Any restriction on mag capacity that makes it into law and sticks is a minor thing with pistols. And so what if you can only have ten rounds in a pistol mag. Carry two mags. Many do anyway.

Where this is going to be a shit show is rifle/carbine mags. There are so many of them out there. 20-30-40-50 rounds as we all know. States who try to get that cow back in the barn are going to face a lot of resistance and legal challenges. This is going to rage on for a while.

I don't think AR and AK owners will turn in their mags. Nobody has 10 round mags anymore unless it's for a box mag bolt action rifle. We'll see how this goes. Especially in how it impacts the Nov election.

Now you are just arguing because you don't want to admit you made a mistake.
No one carries an AK with a 30 round mag as a CCW, straw man.

Stay within context.
OP is asking about his CCW, which he may have to use to defend his life.

You advised him to commit a felony, in detail.

In this thread linked below, you argued that felons should lose their rights, even if they aren't incarcerated.

Canada drinking the koolaid

Not what I said. But I’ll just net it out for the last time. I’m not ok with more restrictions or bans because yet another psycho randomly kills innocent people or children for no reason. With a firearm some seem to suggest God wanted him to have. People can talk that crazy talk all they want...

www.kimbertalk.com

Then you suggest if OP has to use his weapon, don't worry, the state won't convict you or strip you of your gun rights.
They absolutely will. That why they proposed the bill in the first place, on election year where they are getting crushed over doing shit like this.


So...you want and support people being stripped of their 2A rights?
OKay.

I'm getting a clearer picture now of where you stand, but I'm not sure you are.

You should slow down and think about what you are saying before trying to ride that edge.